White Afrikans

Ras_Ortho · Newbie

White Afrikans

abre les ojos · Guru

Ras_Ortho wrote:

In my second post i would like to ask my fellow Malawians this; how do you view white Afrikans? Do you take them as Afrikans or do you think they are, and should always be called Euro-Afrikans ( for a lack of better word because they were born in Afrika.) Now when answering this question be aware of the fact that most of the time whenever a blackman is born in another country he is known first as Afican followed by the approppriate birth place? And also take into account that most Afrikans born in Afrika still see themselves as being superiror to the fellow Afrikans ( black people ).?
Hit me back with your views.........

They are simply African. Who cares what white people call blacks elsewhere. In Africa, we are too decent to stoop that low to label people racially. However, the prefix "Afro" you get in the west is a demand from the blacks as they thought that "black" was slightly derogatory.

As for them thinking they are superior, it is partly because blacks treat them that way. Everywhere you go white people get preferential treatment. BY BLACKS. Another reason - and this is just in SA, is with apartheid. Where their superiority was a matter of national policy.

Ras_Ortho · Newbie

Greetings King,
I understand and raspek your p.o.v. it was just a thought the I had the other day when I met a white guy that claimed that he was African because he was born in Africa (Kenya)but yet could not speak a lick of swahili or anyother language apart from English. I didnt consider him to be African because i felt like he was just born there and lived there, and i think that in my opinion is not enough to make him african because if i took him and droped him back in Knya he would be just as foreign as another tourist that is visiting there.

Bredren let me ask you this; What makes one African?

abre les ojos · Guru

Not being able to speak an African language doesn't disqualify one from being an African. English is as much an African language. Rightly or wrongly it is the most widely spoken language in Africa. It is of course your opinion and you are entitled to it. I personally might not be articulate in any particular African language but I can assure you I am African right down to my socks.

What makes one African? Well, honestly any black person can rightfully claim to be African. Doesn't make one culturally African (whatever that is). One has the right to claim any heritage that they feel comfortable with. And white South Africans are as much African as any other. Even more so...

Black Panther · Senior Member

I think that we need to look at the historical factors before we can really answer this question, and also not lump all countires together like people so often do. I'll try and make this short and simple.

In west Africa, nigeria , Camaroon etc.. and all those countries that were considered the "white mans grave" - the history of white 'settlers' is shortlived and they dont understand the concept of white africans - they always think white africans are european first --people like Charlize Theron and Gary Palmer confuse them -

In southern and Eastern Africa - we had more of settler colonies, there are white people in Kenya that are Kenyan as in South Africa, as in Malawi. in South Africa, most of the white people that see themselves as Afrcan - usually they are 3rd 4th generation or longer. White South African do speak african languages --not just Afrikaans (which is a hybrid of traditional african languge, dutch & german, & Malay), but alo languages like Zulu, and Sotho. I lived there for a few years , and all my classmates, who were white spoke norht Sotho b/c that is the 'black language' of the are and was taught in schools. It was required for them to take , in primaty shcool English, Afrikaans, and the black language of their area. Language is not a factor. Culturally, white south Africans eat the same foods (Nsima or pap as they call it in SA) , speak the language and have other cultural characteristic... they consder themselves African ...it only when they travel and they meet ignborant people that they are forced to say that they are african but orignally from exyz in Europe. I have a Zambian Indian friend who considere d himself Zambian until he casme here and people that didint understand the concept of Indians living in Zambia kept telling him that he cant be Zambian b/c he is indian.

In North Africa, some just consider themselves white, so yes, they are white Aficans... Anyway, color is based on peoples opinions...

Where ever you lay ur heart, thats your home

abuhakim · Senior Member

No white is African, its gat to be somewhere he is from, they are just residing in our continent. And no Black is American, Asia or European its gat to be somewhere he is from.Why do we call Amwenye Indians or Asians while they cant even remember which fore fathers of theirs first came to Africa. and why do they call us Africans. we always confuse simple and straight forward issues. I was born and stayed in Nkhata-bay but that does not make me Mtonga. am still Mchawa. i dont think its proper to say that Africans who were born in America are African-Americans, or Asian-African or European-African. What kind of crap is this? Should i call my son who is half Mchawa and half Zulu a Mchazu or Mchawa Zulu? come on guys lets get real.

Mchawa

game · Guru

africa is for africans,black skinned people,the three wise men,the citizens of the world,we are the genesis of man kind,no white folks born in africa will ever qualify for this identity,lets all remember our history,our culture,the true identity of africans is dark skin,even egyptians who are half white and half arabic dont qualify for this ID,egypt was egypt when it was governed by the dark skinned natives,the cu****es,the kingdoms on the banks of the nile,so dont be fooled country men,no white man is african.

we are a rich but oppressed race,thats what makes us exceptional, africa makes the whole world rich,europeans plundered and clashed our land,destroyed our civillization,ransacked the pyramids our greatest architectual blueprint for want of gold and precious gems so they can enrich themselves and build skyscrapers in europe,they stole our cultures,from books at the timbuktu university to the designs of obelisks in cush to build the washington obelisks.no toubab is african.remember that and teach your children.

Black Panther · Senior Member

abuhakim wrote:

No white is African, its gat to be somewhere he is from, they are just residing in our continent. And no Black is American, Asia or European its gat to be somewhere he is from.Why do we call Amwenye Indians or Asians while they cant even remember which fore fathers of theirs first came to Africa. and why do they call us Africans. we always confuse simple and straight forward issues. I was born and stayed in Nkhata-bay but that does not make me Mtonga. am still Mchawa. i dont think its proper to say that Africans who were born in America are African-Americans, or Asian-African or European-African. What kind of crap is this? Should i call my son who is half Mchawa and half Zulu a Mchazu or Mchawa Zulu? come on guys lets get real.

Mchawa

Lets not mix up race and ethnicity.. u can be black/african -american is to white/euro-african.....as Italian American is to Zulu Malawian or Machawa -Malawian or European-Malawian or Asian-Malawian. You can be a black/African Malawian who is half Zulu and half Mchawa. You can be an Asian-Malawian who is half Mchawa and half Punjbai .. Let not mix up color/ehnicity and nationality in this argument.

Black Panther · Senior Member

game wrote:

africa is for africans,black skinned people,the three wise men,the citizens of the world,we are the genesis of man kind,no white folks born in africa will ever qualify for this identity,lets all remember our history,our culture,the true identity of africans is dark skin,even egyptians who are half white and half arabic dont qualify for this ID,egypt was egypt when it was governed by the dark skinned natives,the cu****es,the kingdoms on the banks of the nile,so dont be fooled country men,no white man is african.

we are a rich but oppressed race,thats what makes us exceptional, africa makes the whole world rich,europeans plundered and clashed our land,destroyed our civillization,ransacked the pyramids our greatest architectual blueprint for want of gold and precious gems so they can enrich themselves and build skyscrapers in europe,they stole our cultures,from books at the timbuktu university to the designs of obelisks in cush to build the washington obelisks.no toubab is african.remember that and teach your children.

What about Albinos whos gene makes there dependant so light skinned over time they look white.. will they never be african ? thats harldy fair. Also, black was the original color. All mankind was essentially black -- white pigmentation was an adaptation , then continentla drifs and people migrating occured....so scintifically, eveyone is black, taking religious history in to account or just plain history as well... where do we start drawing the line ? thats that problem with making divisions, everyone cannot fit in to the box that is created by a few...its frivoulus, genetic mutations can happen anywhere.... remember recently rh twins, one balck one white born to the same parents...

abuhakim · Senior Member

Black Panther wrote:

What about Albinos whos gene makes there dependant so light skinned over time they look white.. will they never be african ? remember recently rh twins, one balck one white born to the same parents...

For once i thought you are wise. I have 1 Albino brother and a sister. it is out of context and infantile to call them whites. The issue here is not about genetics within the same

Genus. By the way where are you from for calling Achawa, Machawa?

Mchawa

Black Panther · Senior Member

abuhakim wrote:

Black Panther wrote:

What about Albinos whos gene makes there dependant so light skinned over time they look white.. will they never be african ? remember recently rh twins, one balck one white born to the same parents...

For once i thought you are wise. I have 1 Albino brother and a sister. it is out of context and infantile to call them whites. The issue here is not about genetics within the same
Genus. By the way where are you from for calling Achawa, Machawa?

Mchawa

White is a skin color ? who defines that an alibino is not white ? your individual society. You cant look at bone structure or features b/c black people have the same bone structure as anyone Asian, White etc.. Same with white.. the whole concept of race is so fickle.

awmygawd · Guru

Sorry to nit-pick Abu', but there is only one species (and consequently, genus) of human being today; Homo Sapiens.