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Ras_Ortho · Newbie

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abre les ojos · Guru

We been having this conversation on this forum for ages....

But even you are wrong about this. Just because original bible never contained "J" is not enough evidence to say he did not exist. JEWS existed didn't they? They start with "J" too don't they? Whether he existed or not is a different debate.

Then you go on to totally wipe out that argument to say Africa had the first Christians. Where's the back-up to your claim. Sorry I might have missed it.

Your attitude seems to be attempting to replace one "propaganda" with another.... Your so-called facts are completely distorted, or based on as much fallacy as the Christian one.

Ras_Ortho · Newbie

Greetings Abre,
Thanks for coming in to reason about this issue, and doing so in a mature way.

Well i have been holding some meditation on what you said and i think you didnt get my point on the point where i mentioned that jesus christ never existed because what i meant by this was that the actual name of jesus christ is incorrect. You see, the Messiah came to earth under the name Iyesus Kristos ( as for evidence you can check any history books analysing the bible that refer to the messiah for this), and that is why i make the claim that he was never named Jesus with a J. It is the Western "christians" that changed the name when they translated the bible from its original language ( which is Aramaic). Therefore when people pray to Jesus Christ they actually be praying to Iyesus Kristos because the afore mentioned never existed under that name.

The reason why i say Africans probably had the first Kristians outside of Jerusalem is because of a couple of reason such as Jews were found in Africa since the ancient of days ( you can check the history of the African Jews,), and when the west tried to come to introduce thier version of christianity, we already had been practicing it ( an Example of this is the Ethiopian Eunich that was Baptised by the John in the desert, the story in the bible) from this we know that we as africans were one of the first on record to become Khristians.
On your point about Jews having a "J" in their name, that came with the english language because they were never known as jews. Infact they were known as "Yiddish" brefore the english language changed the names and so on. So they did not have a a name that started with a J.

About the propaganda part, I beg to differ with you because i see it as the truth. It is just sad to me sometimes how people overlook it while it is there to be found if we just read it up. You see, propaganda to me consists of the teachings of some of those christians ( the western version) that try to surpress this truth by preaching something that is false. My claim relies on truth, and if you look it up i am sure you will see it.

Sorry for the length of the post but i couldnt cut it any further.........
Blessed ------- "Iron Sharpen Iron"

abre les ojos · Guru

What are you talking about? I cannot even begin to explain the amount of falsehoods in your post. But I would try to the extent of my knowledge.

Does it matter the name of Jesus? Ever language pronounces it and spells it differently. Although there is scant evidence of whether Jesus is actually a true historical person, whatever he was called when or if he was alive on earth, I doubt if they actually called him by the name "Iyesus Kristos" on a personal level. This Jesus character was not even a religion till years after he had been killed by the Romans The Gospels of course were written perhaps a hundred years or more after the events.

As for Jews found in Africa in ancient times that were actually practising Christians. You have to be more specific. What timeline are we talking about? If you are saying that they were already Christians before the missionaries came, maybe. But saying that they were there as early as the first century AD, there is no evidence for that.

What you seem to call truth is just as much "faith" as the other version that your purport to condemn. The historicity of Christianity is a lot less dynamic than you make it to be. There is no Da Vinci code style conspiracy anywhere, it simply spread because it aligned itself with political power. Like any other popular religion.

Black Panther · Senior Member

Ras I here on the point that Christianity has its roots in Africa . It origniated was spread to the west, and came back "as Christianity from the west" , transformed (of course it wasnt always called christiantiy then -- only when Christ came was it known as that" The Ethiopian churches are the oldest. Look at the Unk -- it closely remembles a Christian Cross. this is not a coincindece. The original Jews may have been black , Im not sure if it was all of them though... the regions addressed in the Bible are around the middle east north africa....it only makes sense.

abre les ojos · Guru

You guys are amazing. Saying that the original Jews were black? There is absolutely no evidence for that! Christianity is of course a religion that incorporated other contemporary beliefs of its time. From Greek and Roman myths, probably some Egyptian ones too. Plus of course Jewish myths which are Middle Eastern and yes, North Africa. Saying Jews and probably the character Jesus is based on were black, is really pushing it and don't give me that nonsense of race being a societal construct...

Christianity only really moved from being a cult to a major religion when it was aligned with the Roman empire.

Ras_Ortho · Newbie

Greetings Bredren,
Excuse my absence i was caught up for a while. It's good to see that some people answered to this thread coz i thought people might overlook it.
Now as for my Idren, Abre, I and I ask that you check the statement about Afrkans being Jews because in actuality this is a reality. I take it that you are a christian yourself, and therefore i ask you this question concerning the historical record in the Bible; what happened to the 12 sons of Jacob??? Because in the Hola book, it seems as though they vanished off the face of the earth ( read this up and come back with what you find). And furthermore you have to read up on the Black Jews of Africa because they are linked back to those of Jerusalem ( Genetically), therefore this is not a far fetched idea. Infact it lets you know that there is a lot more history in which we all have to read for ourselves before we accept any one mindset.
By the way you talk about the Roman Empire, I ask you this question; Do you know about the Council of Chalcedon? Because if you do then you would also know that this marked the division of the Roman Catholic Church from the original teachings of the Apostlic tradition ( know known as the Orthodox Church). These teachings ( of the Roman Cathloics) were indeed a Western state of mind ( believing in God being 3 seperate beings) and thus the growth of Western Christianity when these ways of thinking were linked with other pegan beliefs from the west. If you check these facts you will see that this was one of the instances where true Kristianity was divided due to monetary and control issues. However this was not the death of the Original Kristainity because it is still practiced today through those that still follow the Apostolic traditions (Orthodoxy).
With this being said, I and I inform you that Kristianity never changed because it is still there if you stop accepting what is being fed to you and search for the truth ( it still resignates as a cult for those that are used to the false western doctrines).

Blessed are those that search for the truth for Our father shall give it.