Ayatollah,

I will repeat the questions  about your alleged past again now as I have promised,Since we now know you are not a complainer and hopefully you dont deny "indisputable facts on the forum",what can you say about what game said about you and your family makamaka your aunt who "rose"from the dead ngati yesu kapena Lazaro,kodi ndizoona?Nanga yokanganilana Nsima ndi madala?nanga akuti tu inu munkagona ndi chemwali wanu,muti bwanji?Akutinso inu muli ndi zipikishala zanu mu Police Magazine,akunama?Akutinso inu ndi munthu wokonda bibida,bibida wake watchedwa kachaso mpakana munaba njinga ija amati BMX(Mwaidziwa?)kuti mupeze yogulila bibidayu,ndi zoona?Za matenda anu achifufu akugwa ndiye sitikamba popeza izo simunachite kufuna koma akuti mukafuna kutaya madzi munkayimika mwendo umodzi mMwamba monga muja ichitila imbwa,muti bwanji?Apa koma tichedwepo,mwendo mMwamba?

Kaya utukwana,kaya utani ine ndikufuna ndimve choonadi,tidzidziwana bwinobwino,  osamangosekelelana kapena kukandana usakudziwa kuti mzakoyo ndi mfiti!!

-- Edited by Ngwazi at 03:19, 2006-10-24

There are several issues goig on in this case:

1. International adoptions - Malawi adoption law is vague on the 'residency' part. It doesnt say the parents need to be 'permanent residents' . You can live in Malawi for 2 months and hence be considered a 'resident' - so its a matter of interpretation. Madonna did nothing illegal. The NGOSs and civil rights groups thinks he did.

2. The NGOs and Civil rights groups in Malawi all have a foreign influence. So please lets stop blaming each other and say its becasue Malawians are jealous or are hating on eachother. the MONEY funding most CIVIL rights groups comes from the WEST. Thos employees or volunteers have something at stake too - preventing there own kids from being orphans - Stop this black on black hating - we all do what we need to survive.

3. International adoptions seem to only be a problem when it comes to adopting africans but you can go and adopt a fleet of cambodian babies.

4. The father knew what was going on - last week his statement was  'where were u when he was in the orphanage. Another article he says that people from the NGOS came to see him to convince him that he didint understand & he says there that he told them he did - He is now making us look stupid by playing the role of the 'dumb' uneducated villager that dosnt understand the concept of adoption- Is there anyone here who thinks there was a chance he didnt understand (I mean, there is always a chance, but do people in villages generally not understand the meaning of adoption)Now this uneducated dad may have been promised Nsima for a year from an NGO and he thinks its good enough - then take his boy back.

5. I saw on the "TODAY Show" today that he had some trendy new farming equipment that regular Malawi farmers font have - he is being bought .

6. We as Malawians have some serious issues that we need to deal with internally before we can face the outside world. We need a little more spine - backbone and a greater sense of identity.

I think Madonna should give the boy back and get another kid who is an orphan with no parents alive.

that wil accomplish 2 things

1. It will make the boy & his father reunited. Those NGOs can take care of him.

2. It will give another kid a chance.

The end result is that 3 people instead of 2 will be helped.

 

-- Edited by Black Panther at 17:14, 2006-10-24

 

blackpanther,

you have managed to raise some interesting points here but before we say she must return the kid lets look at the bond madonna has already established with the child,remember that when adopting a child you become attached to him,on paper he or she is your own,the child lives in the heights and depths of your heart,any termination of this bond will affect you psychologically.

we all have concerns on what might happen in the future that is if the boys father decides to act dumb,and the veil of mists thats hides the unknown is full of images that come and go between the true worlds,he is a black kid to be raised by a white couple,these two worlds often collide.all said lets not forget that there will come a point this child will be able to take responsibility of his own destiny,right now his life is being run by people who have taken advantage of the unexpected and unknowable events since his mother died.now coming back to your concerns,madonna can return the kid,but remember that this kid has already gone through medical checks and is adjusting to his new environment,from eating healthy food compared to msima and utaka at the opharnage in malawi,tomorrow maddona is going to speak out for the first time at the opra winfrey show so lets wait and hear her side of the story instead of relying on the tabloid mumbo jumbo.

 

I owe much respect to all that is said from Black Panthers heart and feelings as regards the Madonna’s adoption in Malawi. The facts he has laid down remain immune to any further sensible obvious inquiry, for what reason we can only speculate.  I believe Ayatollah has brought forward a topic that I have found , frankly puzzling every time it is posed, which is quite there in daily papers in UK ever since.  

I believe the best option as suggested by Black Panther is to have David go back to Mchinji, not at the orphanage care but to his father. At one point I can see the intellectual kwashiorkor of most NGO leadership. We are lacking seeing a moral agent that brings truth about matters of human significance.

 

The baby should not be returned unless it's ultimately in his best interest for Madonna to do so. If the controversy (read: media circus) has anything to do with the final decision, the tabloids get their story, the NGO'S get a precedent that gives them the confidence to fight for more, and equally stupid causes, and everyone else actually affected by the matter losses.

Hmm. You have a point. Doesn't the fact that the kid was in an orphanage (i'd love to know under what legal status) and that the father gave consent to the adoption sort of push him out of the equation though? Assuming he knew exactly what he was doing in signing the papers that is.

Definitely great points have been raised above. Up to this point, I still fail to understand the ulterior motive of the NGO's and Malawian Lawyers. The actions of the father are pretty normal. It's typical for parents who give up their children for adoption to have second thoughts or even have a change of heart after the fact. It's all love. What the father needs at this point is emotional support and not for people to be confusing his already confused asss.

As far as we know, Madonna was granted temporaly custody through the court system in Malawi. It is especially unkind for these idiots to start caring for David now that he is in great hands. Where were these people when David was in an orphanage surviving on one meal a day? Shame on them. Aren't there more children around the streets of Malawi who need help? In actuality we should celebrate David's adoption. His departure created room for another child in the orphanage that needs help.

Panther raises a good point. May be the kid should be returned to his rightful father. There are millions of kids around the world whose next of kin would be happy to have them adopted by Madonna. Madonna should probably go adopt a kid from some other country which follows a progressive letter of the law than Malawi ie Zambia, South Africa etc.

The most unfortunate part is that most able people who were looking to adopt an African child would erase Malawi from their plan. Who wants to be put through the same predicament as Madonna. This must be nerve wracking for Madonna and definitely no one would like to be put through such a fracas. Her gesture of kindness is being taken for granted by the foolish people of Malawi. In the process we are hurting our own brethren. What if she decides to take her support for the orphanage somewhere outside of Malawi? Is that going to make these idiots happy? How many childrens lives are going to be put in jeopardy?

Very disappointed

Ayatollah

From the little I know about the law, only the judiciary (i.e. courts) can decide whether an action is illegal or not. Considering that the courts granted Madonna temporary custody (i.e. that they are, for now, happy with it), I'd say it's on you lot to prove (through the legal process you so much adore) that anything illegal actually took place. I think it's wrong of you to be so opinionated on the basis of what are presently unconfirmed assumptions.

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-- Edited by BOMBA at 22:35, 2006-10-25

-- Edited by BOMBA at 22:37, 2006-10-25

abre les ojos wrote:

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A word of advice. Stop reading the Daily Mail....

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Abres,  for Godssake why dont u tell this Bomba and everyone reading his post the truth about what this is all about ?

Who are the Gladstones ?  

awmygawd wrote:

Ha ha! I've always thought that when AIDS, cancer, poverty, hunger, crime, war, etc are finally out of the way, the human race needs to take a very close look at tabloids. Can't wait for that day.

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Too true but some will always want to comfort themselves in other peoples' misery so tabloids are a way of consolation(somewhat) since every topic is always blown out of proportion and not exactly as it should be!!!!! Sad but i agree.

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