Our History

Observer · Member

Our History

abuhakim · Senior Member

Observer wrote:

Malawi was the only black ruled nation in Africa which maintained full diplomatic relations with South Africa during the apartheid era. Most African countries used to despise us due to this fact.

so could it be that MLW and RSA were behind the assassination of Samora?

rawn · Senior Member

A lot of Malawian History is still not known to an ordinary Malawian. A lot of books were published out side Malawi and were banned by HKB during his era and that information can not be easily available for Malawians. The other bad thing about Malawians is vandalism. They have at the mean time destroyed every monument, old buildings and sites from which we can trace ourselves. I remember when I was 7 years old I visited caves which had old paintings in Dedza known as Ntcherere where i was told that the Akafula (abatwa or Mashoti, Dwarfs)

who were the first inhabitants of Malawi lived many centuries ago. But now the place is gone. Its better we preserve any material, object, structure and any item from which we can trace ourselves other wise that is why a Malawian will destroy an electricity transformer to remove a small magnet to give his son to play with as a toy. Ndamgodutsa sindinatchole nkhwani.

game · Guru

abuhakim wrote:

so could it be that MLW and RSA were behind the assassination of Samora?

man,malawi under kamuzu was involved in many crimes with the help of the apartheid government of south africa.rumour has it that south african intelligence unearthed a plot by samora to wipe out the whole of nyasaland in one offensive.kamuzu being their strongest ally had to unleash a plan to kill samora.this is a fact.kamuzu and mugabe refused mandelas guerilla fighters a safe haven in their countries to mobilise against botha.

this is why mandela hated kamuzu,the man played no part in changing the course of central african history,he supported the whites and made a deal with them for his political ambitions.when margarett thatcher called mandela a terrorist kamuzu invited thartcher to malawi.tis man was nothing but a confusionist,they call him the destroyer of federation,which federation?nyasaland received its independence from the colonial government when nothern and southern rhodesia were still colonised why?kamuzu is not a hero in my books.he was a miser,a tyrant,a dictator and an egoist.i will pisss on his grave if given a chance.infact i wanted to spit in his face when he died,i just didnt get close enough.

Ngwazi · Guru

game wrote:

this is why mandela hated kamuzu,the man played no part in changing the course of central african history,he supported the whites and made a deal with them for his political ambitions.when margarett thatcher called mandela a terrorist kamuzu invited thartcher to malawi.tis man was nothing but a confusionist,they call him the destroyer of federation,which federation?

game,

I believe if you do a bit of research you will change your views and thinking about Kamuzu.I do appreciate that Kamuzu was no angel,he was a downright dictator but to say he never played any part in changing the course of Southern Africa politics will be tantamount to robbing him of his rightful place in the liberation struggles in that part.Mandela himself acknowledged when Kamuzu died in 1997 that the man was helping the ANC and Mugabes Zanu PF financially though he had to do it"clandestinely".

With over a Million Malawians in both South Africa and Zimbabwe,bringing in over £3 million to the country in terms of forex,Kamuzu could not afford to support these liberation armies openly,the benefits to the country of having such a large number of Malawians in these mining countries far outweighed the benefits of supporting the liberation armies,it was a wise and prudent decision and I for one feels he did what was best for the country even if it meant he was considered an outcast.At the end of the day Malawians fought for their own freedom and so did Zambians and them too had to fight for theirs.You might not agree with all this but man you have to remember that traditionally Malawi is a labour exporter and most of these used to be either to Southern Rhodesia or South Africa and common sense says you dont bite the hand that feeds you,if Kamuzu had supported these liberation armies openly and the then governments of South Africa and Rhodesia decided to punish him by expelling all Malawians,akanadzati nawo kumudzi?You can only admire him for being a "double dealer",giving financial support to the liberation armies and yet maintaining good relations with the governments,what a man!!

abre les ojos · Guru

Ngwazi,

And you call his double-dealing an achievement. For starters it was impossible to expel all Malawians who lived in SA for the simple reason that their government did not support the Apartheid government. Other governments that did not support them did not deport their citizens - that was pretty much an impossibility. The only benefit was that Malawians didn't require visas to travel to SA.

It is no surprise that Machel as a Marxist was very unpopular in the west and his support for Zimbabwe rebels and the anti-apartheid didn't help. Kamuzu was basically used as a proxy to fund the Renamo by certain western forces. It shows the duplicity of the Malawi government and it to me is not something to be commended.

Pope · Guru

So to say the least,did HKB contribute any good to sadc or malawi? I agree he broke the federation(as taught in history) brought independence.Was it his duty to usher independence to zimbabwe?

Was he a chameleon(Kamuzu)

Thanks observer for your info. I knew nothing of this Welenkys academics and no wonder muluzi also ruled malawi with no proper papers(history repeats itself)

abuhakim · Senior Member

Pope wrote:

I knew nothing of this Welenkys academics and no wonder muluzi also ruled malawi with no proper papers(history repeats itself)

Unlike Welensky, Muluzi did not drop out of school and he was qualified for his job since the vacancy of Presidency does not state its specific requirements except the minimum of SENOIR CERTIFICATE. People hated Welensky for his cruelty and Thangata and people loved Muluzi for his good giving hands. Welensky imposed his rule over the Natives while Muluzi was democratically elected defeating the all time brutal, cruel, greedy, molester of married women, uncalled-for Alidzi.

Abuhakim Mchawa

Pope · Guru

I was told muluzi dropped out in form two,correct me man.

awmygawd · Guru

'The Silent War' by Peter Stiff (Galago Publishing) is a book about aparthied South Africa's extra-normal activity in the region, including how SA and Malawi were involved in the Mozambican civil war, and how war was almost declared on Malawi by it's neighbours. I wonder what would have happened if things had gone the wrong way...

Pope · Guru

awmygawd wrote:

'The Silent War' by Peter Stiff (Galago Publishing) is a book about aparthied South Africa's extra-normal activity in the region, including how SA and Malawi were involved in the Mozambican civil war, and how war was almost declared on Malawi by it's neighbours. I wonder what would have happened if things had gone the wrong way...

Thus why Samora had to be termintaed soon after their meeting in Zambia where the issue of blazing malawi was the agenda.

abre les ojos · Guru

I've read the book and it is pretty fascinating if not slightly overwrought.

Samora was killed not o preserve Malawi's sovereignty but because he was a supporter of the Zimbabwe rebels and the anti-apartheid forces in SA. Plus his Marxist policies of nationalising foreign industries was widely unpopular.

awmygawd · Guru

Have any of you come across a detailed account of the effects (political and economic) apartheid SA's policies had on southern Africa? Please post a link (or other details) if you find anything of interest.

eetchef · Senior Member

Game /Abres / Awmygawd.......What if you try to relate the real facts behind the existence of Lilongwes Capital Hill, the Malawi Government Headquaters and the notorious White SA Apartheid government!!!!!!

abre les ojos · Guru

eetchef wrote:

Game /Abres / Awmygawd.......What if you try to relate the real facts behind the existence of Lilongwes Capital Hill, the Malawi Government Headquaters and the notorious White SA Apartheid government!!!!!!

What are you talking about?

Observer · Member

RSA's apartheid govt funded construction of Capital hill and basically most of Lilongwe in the 70's.

abre les ojos · Guru

Observer wrote:

RSA's apartheid govt funded construction of Capital hill and basically most of Lilongwe in the 70's.

And a fair deal of Blantyre too... So?

abuhakim · Senior Member

Pope wrote:

I was told muluzi dropped out in form two,correct me man.

They told you lies. Those people who told you so are probably Ant-Mulizi just like you. He is a proud holder of Malawi Senior Certificate of Education and a couple of Honours

Abuhakim Mchawa

eetchef · Senior Member

abre les ojos wrote:

Observer wrote:

RSA's apartheid govt funded construction of Capital hill and basically most of Lilongwe in the 70's.

And a fair deal of Blantyre too... So?

1....Abres , I think you are one of the guys who just tend to jump at over-reading snippets of other members postings. I know everybody reads the first sentence of each posting , say, the most beautiful posting by Observer and then an elusive reaction by Ngwazi where he talks about how magnificent Kamuzus political philosophy retained Malawis socio-economic respect within Southern Africa region as whole. But not many of you with Abres leading the dippy(excuse me cudnt find bet word) in this case , got to the point a few lines later, where Ngwazi says that by supporting the Frontline states Malawis reputation within the understanding principles of WENELA would have been severed and turn Malawians into creatures as stupid and ignorant as it would have been possible for Malawians to be. I admire Ngwazis flashy application of his language …."traditionally Malawi is a labour exporter".

2....And a fair deal of Blantyre too... So?.. well, Abres this is rudeness! I mean theres a side current here which is rarely looked into but which is also quite fascinating about your attitude sometimes. You always want to tussle.Its the same most innane kinds of critique that you always bring forward diverting from real facts.

Well, I have always liked your postings , you are wonderful sometimes but ......But ...get out of your intellectual confinement which I know is not just accidental but as stupid and ignorant . It is of course possible for a human being to be. And also try to recap that your education was meant to teach you to become obedient , passive and unresponsive to postings like this one now. Good luck mate.

game · Guru

Observer wrote:

RSA's apartheid govt funded construction of Capital hill and basically most of Lilongwe in the 70's.

this was done in exchange.thats why kamuzu had no choice but to support the apartheid regime of south africa.remember when he said "if these whites give my people food i will support them".

Ngwazi,mandela acted on moral grounds,what do we do when one dies?its our custom and humanely not to criticise the dead,it looks like during kamuzus time,you was one of the people who were schizophrenic,i dont blame you but the man to me was nothing but a spineless tyrant who fed his own people to crocodiles.lets not forget families that were displaced,i remember when all tumbukas were told to go home to the north.i have the blood that fought for freedom in malawi and i will never change my mind.

abre les ojos · Guru

eetchef,

In your lame attempt to discredit me and totally avoid my simple question you have exposed yourself to ridicule of the worst kind. The self inflicted kind.

What the hell are you talking about. Do you realise that you are not making the least bit of sense.

eetchef · Senior Member

Do you ever believe you deserve sensible postings?....Please, Abres, if you do not like my views, attack them, not some unrecognizable distortion of them. Similarly, arguing some postings at the level of principle is to obscure the issues for most of members here.For those of us on this forum who are not pacifists, the "bitter truth" is that you Abres and someone -else must learn to be more moral, restrained, and responsible in deciding in particular situations when the use of deliberate critique seems clearly justified. We dont have to fight over this understanding....

abre les ojos · Guru

What are you talking about?

You picked on my question personally but didn't come up with a concrete argument. I asked so what if the South African's built a great deal of Blantyre and Lilongwe. They not only had the financial but the technological ability to do so.

Your 2nd point, and your first too - 'though aimed at me, made no sense at all. Are you challenging my intellectual ability??? I welcome it as long as you have a concrete point to make as opposed to just some crass insult about my personality even though you've never met me or know me from Adam.