MUSIC TASTES AND OUR BEHAVIUOR!!

Ngwazi · Guru

MUSIC TASTES AND OUR BEHAVIUOR!!

abre les ojos · Guru

And is there anything wrong with liking Kandabongoman? It certainly is more musically sophisticated than any level of rap out there.

Besides this study is totally spurious.

game · Guru

sometime ago if a person was into kanindo or kanda bongoman he was either wantchito,vendor ,khukhi,wotchukumira ma bus or someone who gave up about life.so which one were you abre?am just curious.

abre les ojos · Guru

Who cares. It's good African music. I mean you out of all people who claims to be a firm supporter of African individualism should know that.

So hip-hop makes you worldly and sophisticated? I don't know, does it? Liking African sounds makes me illiterate and uneducated right?

I love African music and cannot stand hip-hop for all sorts of reasons. I was listening to Ali Farka Toure and it is by any standards a testament to the superiority of African music.

game · Guru

The african music i listen to is pure art my friend,Angelique kidjo(sp)black mambazo,Gides chalamanda from malawi,check him out its like looking at great paintings of piccasso,Titian and leonardo.the music that paints a picture in your head,but what does kanindo or kanda B do?try and listen to malawis kwela,african jazz like hugh masekelas,this is art in its pure form.you will be surprised that i only listen to one hip hop artist because of his artistic and revolutionary views otherwise i have class.

am not the one who said you listen to kanda bongoman,i just made a comment and asked you a question,you can disregard it.

abre les ojos · Guru

Yes but its all so subjective isn't it?

Ngwazi · Guru

abre les ojos wrote:

And is there anything wrong with liking Kandabongoman? It certainly is more musically sophisticated than any level of rap out there.

Besides this study is totally spurious.

Abre,

Your love for African music and musicians more especially Kanindo and Kandabongoman is legendary and no one can dispute that or take away that love from you.We all know you have been listening to Kandabongoman and Kanindo since time immemorial,yes all the way back to the time when the majority of our generation were just discovering Ace of Base or MC Hammer,it is obvious that you were/are a minority due to this great love of Kanindo,However you seem to have missed the point because this was not about whats wrong or right with African music but rather what they could have come up with if they had included Kanindo or Kandabongoman songs in their study.We now know that fans of hip hop have had many sexual partners in the last five years and classical music fans have at one time experimented with cannabis.Now looking at this trend,one is left wondering as to what this study could have unearthed if Kanindo and Kandabongoman veterans like yourself were involved.

Unfortunately you happen to be the only well known Kanindo listening or dancing and kandabongoman liking person on this forum(if not the only one!!)hence I am not surprised that you find this study"spurious" to which I agree, I feel it was not all inclusive as it left out great Kanindo music lovers like yourself.But its not too late,there is a wider study coming up and you can apply or ask to be involved and if you are lucky they might put you on your own and in your own category and when that happens probably it wont be "spurious" anymore,good luck.

However till that happens I cant stop wondering what they would have made of people like yourself who love Kanindo and Kandabongoman,just wondering aloud though!!!!

abre les ojos · Guru

I fail to see your point.

At least we seem to agree on the spuriousness of this "study". It's seems like those page fillers you get in low-brow newspapers and magazines. Any study of this sort that simply looks for trends and "links" but not causes is hardly worth paying attention to.

I make no qualms about liking Kandabongoman. If it makes me unpopular on this forum the better. I'm already unpopular because of my attacks on religious hypocrisy and superstition.

I have friends come over my place and go through my CD collection and the only artist they recognise are Stevie Wonder and Aretha Frankiln. It makes me feel smug and esoteric.

I love classical music but that was only after I quit smoking cannabis. I have a high sex drive but I can't stand hip-hop. In fact I just think the study is crap!

game · Guru

abre les ojos wrote:

I love classical music but that was only after I quit smoking cannabis. I have a high sex drive but I can't stand hip-hop. In fact I just think the study is crap!

i think when you quit smoking weed your sex drive escalates although i prefer sex when am high,you become more adventurous and inventive.am not a fan of gondolosi like ngwazi is though.hahaha.

Ngwazi · Guru

abre les ojos wrote:

I make no qualms about liking Kandabongoman. If it makes me unpopular on this forum the better. I'm already unpopular because of my attacks on religious hypocrisy and superstition.

Abre,

Your love for Kanindo and Kandabongoman will not make you unpopular,probably your views on religion maybe but not this one.I however was just wondering what they(the researchers)would have come up with if they had included people like yourself who love Kanindo and kanda in their study rather than just give as results of a research that does not cover all types of music taste which indeed makes it misleading,thats all.

game · Guru

i dont like my own opinions sometimes especially this one, on this issue i think abre has answered you that he has a higher sex drive,hence kwasakwasa and kanindo.its just funny picturing this dude busy shaking his aarse to kanda bongo man.

abuhakim · Senior Member

game wrote:

sometime ago if a person was into kanindo or kanda bongoman he was either wantchito,vendor ,khukhi,wotchukumira ma bus or someone who gave up about life.so which one were you abre?am just curious.

Game aren’t you proud of your roots? Guys overseas has gat you messed up! I don’t see anything wrong with liking Kanda Bongoman that’s our typical music. That’s our true identity. After all it’s about choices, most of the well to do elderly people in our country are still listening to this kind of music and are crazy about it. You don’t have to be otchukumila mabasi to listen to this type of music. You got jiggy with it when Kanda Bongoman shot to fame, some of you had a collection of his albums. You even went to Chichiri when he came to Malawi! Who knows some of you were once nicknamed after him for getting boogie like him.

Before I realised that Allah created us with only one reason and that is to worship him, I used to like the hip-hop music, 9 years ago. I used to listen from ma Sheikhs why music was allowed at first in Islam and later prohibited, it is for these very same reasons. It reads us astray! Music especially Hip-hop makes a person forgets that there is God. This music changed my whole life in a short period of time. I thank Allah for making me realise quickly Amen! If you ask young fellaz now they will tell you that they dress hip-hop they listen to hip-hop and live hip-hop, actually it’s now a way of life and Tupac is a god to some of them! Cannabis sativa used to be smoked by the Rastafarians according to their set of beliefs. Now it has gone Hip-hop! May God protect us from this monkey business.

Ameen

Abuhakim M`chawa

game · Guru

am proud of who i am,my roots,my culture as a black man.you seem to have missed the whole point Ngwazi is trying to make here but i will let you off because its the way this forum operates,people often misunderstand the main topic. hip hop is black culture not tribal,when south africa was infested in apartheid these same people fought on our side,they rallied against it and fought for the freedom of mandela not because they felt sorry for black south africans,but because as black people we are family,our pain is shared no matter where you come from.

i never listened to kanda bongo man,i dont even know the guy,but have heard people like garden boys and aganyu talk about him and his women who dance kwasa kwasa with him.i never said african music is crap,maybe am more african than you.maybe i understand more about roots than you.if you like kanda bongo man just join abre's club and share info am not bothered.just know that the recent survey like ngwazi put it shows that the music you listen to relates to your life style,if my opinions were hurtfull then take it like a man.its just one man's opinions.

Ngwazi · Guru

abuhakim wrote:

Before I realised that Allah created us with only one reason and that is to worship him, I used to like the hip-hop music, 9 years ago. I used to listen from ma Sheikhs why music was allowed at first in Islam and later prohibited, it is for these very same reasons. It reads us astray! Music especially Hip-hop makes a person forgets that there is God. This music changed my whole life in a short period of time. I thank Allah for making me realise quickly Amen! If you ask young fellaz now they will tell you that they dress hip-hop they listen to hip-hop and live hip-hop, actually it’s now a way of life and Tupac is a god to some of them! Cannabis sativa used to be smoked by the Rastafarians according to their set of beliefs. Now it has gone Hip-hop! May God protect us from this monkey business.

Ameen

Abuhakim M`chawa

Abuhakim,

I hate to say this but this is the type of writing or thinking that makes Abre despise religion and if we are going to have much of this then we will get a proper lecturing from him.We have to look at the wider picture than just bringing in religious rhetoric unnecessarily.We have people here on this forum who love music whether Hip-hop or reggae but still pray to their God.Actually most Gospel singers like Kirk Franklin have evolved and sing in a format that is recognised by their target audience which I believe would not be easy in Islam as everything has to be in Arabic inorder to carry religious flavour.It is wrong to say that music leads as astray,ndibodza leneleni(ala Kamuzu!).

We will have you to blame if Abre rips religion apart but for once I can sympathise with some of his views.Actually are you sure you are really a moslem?Its just that I find it odd that you are mixing Allah and Amen together in the same sentence instead of probably Allahandulira!!

bingiza · Guru

abuhakim wrote:

Game aren’t you proud of your roots? Guys overseas has gat you messed up! I don’t see anything wrong with liking Kanda Bongoman that’s our typical music. That’s our true identity. After all it’s about choices, most of the well to do elderly people in our country are still listening to this kind of music and are crazy about it. You don’t have to be otchukumila mabasi to listen to this type of music. You got jiggy with it when Kanda Bongoman shot to fame, some of you had a collection of his albums. You even went to Chichiri when he came to Malawi! Who knows some of you were once nicknamed after him for getting boogie like him.

Before I realised that Allah created us with only one reason and that is to worship him, I used to like the hip-hop music, 9 years ago. I used to listen from ma Sheikhs why music was allowed at first in Islam and later prohibited, it is for these very same reasons. It reads us astray! Music especially Hip-hop makes a person forgets that there is God. This music changed my whole life in a short period of time. I thank Allah for making me realise quickly Amen! If you ask young fellaz now they will tell you that they dress hip-hop they listen to hip-hop and live hip-hop, actually it’s now a way of life and Tupac is a god to some of them! Cannabis sativa used to be smoked by the Rastafarians according to their set of beliefs. Now it has gone Hip-hop! May God protect us from this monkey business.

Ameen

Abuhakim M`chawa

Tell me what you listen to now? Mueezen (sp) full time or chanting?

abre les ojos · Guru

I somewhat pity Abuhakim. He seems to be lost or brainwashed by the current popularity in certain Muslim circles to despise anything western as devilish, of course using "western" modes of communication to do so. What hypocrisy!

I'm not going to condemn what you believe even though I'm tempted to but I can say for sure that you are misguided. I used to sympathise with your cause (as you can see I don't mind having a Bin Laden avatar) but I don't anymore. It started out as a political cause in Palestine and has morphed into pseudo-religious violent cults of individuals who think mass murder takes them closer to heaven.

But that's besides the point.

Hip-hop can lead you astray? I fail to see how. Unless it somehow lowers you IQ.

abuhakim · Senior Member

Tell me what you listen to now? Mueezen (sp) full time or chanting?

Bingiza

correction Mueezen is a person who calls Adhan. and Adhan is not Music, it is call to prayer. did you mean Anasheeds? Those are Islamic tunes Ha!ha!ha! of cource i listen to Anasheeds!

Abuhakim M`chawa

and for Abre maybe Hip-hop does not mislead people but i pity you because i cant imagine how many people have been misled by you on this forum.

bingiza · Guru

Basi asante

abuhakim · Senior Member

bingiza wrote:

Basi asante

still confusing Asante is Swahili or you meant to say basi sikomo

bingiza · Guru

abuhakim wrote:

bingiza wrote:

Basi asante

still confusing Asante is Swahili or you meant to say basi sikomo

I just said it out of what i hear from my moslem friend he likes saying "Basi asante Basi insha allah" maybe he went to one of the tanganyika moslem schools and he got it from there dunno.

-- Edited by bingiza at 15:37, 2006-09-18

abuhakim · Senior Member

That makes your friend a linguist because he has combined three words from three different languages.

Abuhakim M`chawa

rawn · Senior Member

What type of a Moslem are you Abuhakim?

abre les ojos · Guru

rawn wrote:

What type of a Moslem are you Abuhakim?

I was just about to ask the same question. I guess you can say a very ignorant on at that.

And Abuhakim, no one is trying to mislead anyone. This is a forum where people come with ideas and debates nothing else.

abuhakim · Senior Member

rawn wrote:

What type of a Moslem are you Abuhakim?

Am an ignorant type of Muslim who believes in Allah and his messenger.

abre les ojos · Guru

Believe in what you want to believe. But ignorance in this world is inexcusable.

bingiza · Guru

abuhakim wrote:

Am an ignorant type of Muslim who believes in Allah and his messenger.

Abu (Qadria,Sunni,Suicide bomber or what?)

I never wanted to comment on the ignorant thing since you accept it i will take it you are one hell of an ignorant and intolerable moslem just like the others who have been brainwashed and dont want to think outside the box. That was a simple and straight forward question we know there are sects within any belief yours has the Qadria, Sunni and many i dont have time and effort to look at. What was the problem with coming out straight i thought you said you are a proud moslem?

Oh and as i can see proud to be ignorant

-- Edited by bingiza at 10:39, 2006-09-21

abuhakim · Senior Member

bingiza wrote:

Abu (Qadria,Sunni,Suicide bomber or what?)

Ha! Ha! Ha! since when did a suicide bomber became a sect? all I wanted was clarity. Bingisa, I don’t fit in to any sect and that’s the reality. I pursue that which is good. People see things according to their perspective and to suit their personal needs and that is precisely how these sects came about. Just like Jesus the prophet Muhammad did not teach about sects, and look how divided we are now. The teachings are superb, the predicament is with us followers. Am just a Muslim and who is a Muslim? It is a person who believes in Allah, his books, The Angels, His messenger, The last day, Life after death and that the good and the bad comes from Allah.

You and Abre are always saying that am ignorant which I admit, but can you please specify what am ignorant of? Coz am sure there are some things I know that you two don’t know! Maybe with my ignorance am failing to characterize the word.

Abu Hakim M`chawa