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Lesbians fail to have "marriage" recognised


LONDON - A lesbian couple lost a legal battle on Monday to have their Canadian marriage legally recognised in Britain.

In a High Court ruling, senior judge Mark Potter said giving legal recognition to gay marriages would "fail to recognise physical reality".

Sue Wilkinson, 52, and Celia Kitzinger, 49, who married in British Columbia in August 2003, lost their legal fight to have their union recognised in Britain.


The marriage of a man and a woman was different to a same-sex partnership, Potter ruled.

"The majority of people, or at least of governments ... regard marriage as an age-old institution, valued and valuable, respectable and respected, as a means not only of encouraging monogamy but also the procreation of children ... in a family unit in which both maternal and paternal influences are available," the judge said.

"Abiding single sex relationships are in no way inferior, nor does English law suggest that they are by according them recognition under the name of civil partnership."

New laws which came into effect last year gave same-sex couples legal status through "civil partnerships".

But unlike those in Belgium, the Netherlands, Spain and Canada, Britain's same-sex civil partnership is not a marriage.

Lawyers for the couple said their Canadian marriage should not be "downgraded" to what they considered the "lesser substitute" of a civil partnership.

The couple, who have been together for 16 years, claimed their marriage was valid under the European Convention of Human Rights. They spent their life savings to bring the legal challenge.

The couple said the judgement was "deeply disappointing" for themselves and for same-sex couples across the country and said it would one day be swept aside.

"Denying the validity of our marriage upholds discrimination and inequality," Wilkinson said. "This judgement will not stand the test of time."

Gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell said the existence of both civil partnerships and marriage was a form of "sexual apartheid".

"To deny same sex marriages conducted in Canada the same recognition as heterosexual marriages in Canada strikes me as a case of overt discrimination," he said outside court.

The judge insisted heterosexual marriages and same-sex partnerships were not the same thing.

"Parliament has not called partnerships between persons of the same-sex marriage, not because they are considered inferior to the institution of marriage but because, as a matter of objective fact and common understanding ... they are indeed different," Potter said.

Human rights campaign group Liberty, which gave the couple legal support, said the ruling was wrong.

"I have no doubt that today's judgement will in due course be viewed as being out of step with contemporary values," Liberty legal officer Joanne Sawyer said in a statement.

But, Stonewall, a charity which campaigns for gay and lesbian equality, said civil partnership already gives couples the same legal and financial security as marriage.

"Civil partnership has all the rights of marriage anyway, including pensions," a Stonewall spokesman said. "There are a lot of gay couples out there that don't want it called marriage."

Family law solicitor Richard Hogwood, of lawyers Speechly Bircham, said the government would be relieved the ruling did not undermine the civil partnership law.

Had the couple won their case, the argument for same-sex marriage "would have been invested with a great deal more force," he said.



-- Edited by YTP at 20:37, 2006-07-31

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And so what about that....

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And so what about that....


Pardon?

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And so what about that....


That's disgusting!!!!God created man, then woman as his partner. Not man and man or woman and lady!!!! I wonder if this was allowed and the 'couple' decided to adopt.......what would the kids be calling them? "Auntie"? And we wonder why there's so much confusion and abuse in this world!

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That's disgusting!!!!God created man, then woman as his partner. Not man and man or woman and lady!!!! I wonder if this was allowed and the 'couple' decided to adopt.......what would the kids be calling them? "Auntie"? And we wonder why there's so much confusion and abuse in this world!



I love the way people use God to forward their homophobic leanings...


Too bad your opinions are quicky becoming ancient history. Yes gay couples can actually adopt in a lot of societies.



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I love the way people use God to forward their homophobic leanings...

Too bad your opinions are quicky becoming ancient history. Yes gay couples can actually adopt in a lot of societies.



Are they? And do you wonder why we have more peodophilers in those so called societies now? And who is the 'daddy'?Crap crap crap and filthy!!!!

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Are you stupid or just ignorant?


What does paedophilia have to do with same sex marriages or homosexuality? In what "so-called" societies are you referring to. Oh, they don't have people in Malawi who have sex with young girls?


Truth is you're just a horrible lump of prejudices. How does a woman wedding another woman actually hurt society? Or you? I mean, they don't eat at yours, they ain't your relatives.



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Are you stupid or just ignorant?


What does paedophilia have to do with same sex marriages or homosexuality? In what "so-called" societies are you referring to. Oh, they don't have people in Malawi who have sex with young girls?


Truth is you're just a horrible lump of prejudices. How does a woman wedding another woman actually hurt society? Or you? I mean, they don't eat at yours, they ain't your relatives.






This gay talk i dont know of any incidents down here but there was some resistance from the anglican community when it was reported that the bishop who was to lead teir diocese was gay



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Yeah. Typical religious led homophobia.


Truth is if Jesus did exist he probably WAS gay.



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Yeah. Typical religious led homophobia.


Truth is if Jesus did exist he probably WAS gay.





 


The Da Vinci code, doesnt it say otherwise?



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The Da Vinci code, doesnt it say otherwise?





This is soooo unbelievable!!!! Have you read the church's response to the Da Vinci Code? If not, take some time and read it then maybe you might see some things in a clear light.

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The Da Vinci code, doesnt it say otherwise?






This is soooo unbelievable!!!! Have you read the church's response to the Da Vinci Code? If not, take some time and read it then maybe you might see some things in a clear light.



i havent read itthats why i was asking in the first place

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i havent read it thats why i was asking in the first place


Fair enough. If and when i get adequate time i might fill you in.

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Lesbians fail to have "marriage" recognised
-- Edited by YTP at 20:37, 2006-07-31




justice prevails

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Lesbians fail to have "marriage" recognised
-- Edited by YTP at 20:37, 2006-07-31




justice prevails




Justice? How can that be justice?

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