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Beethoven: Revealing His True Identity

 


 In the 15th and 16th century, written history underwent a massive campaign of misinformation and deception. WithBeethoven the European slave trade in full swing, Afrikans were transported to various parts of the world and were stripped of every aspect of their humanity, and in most of western civilization, were no longer considered human. This triggered a wholesale interpretation of history that methodically excluded Afrikans from any respectful mention, other than a legacy of slavery. This can result in being taught, or socialized, from one perspective. In this instance, historical information tends to flow strictly from a European perspective. No judgment of right or wrong is being made here, only that the breadth was very narrow in scope.


In an age where history is seriously being rewritten, new information is coming forth that is shocking intellectual sensitivities. What was once considered written in stone is now melting away with the discovery of facts that heretofore have been hidden or omitted; things so different that they are generally classified as controversial or unusual.


What specifically is being referenced, is the true identity of Ludwig van Beethoven, considered Europe’s greatest classical music composer. Directly, Beethoven was a black man. Specifically, his mother was a Moor, that group of Muslim Africans who conquered parts of Europe--making Spain their capital--for some 800 years.Beethoven


In order to make such a substantial statement, presentation of verifiable evidence is compulsory. Let's start with what some of Beethoven's contemporaries and biographers say about his appearance. Frau Fisher, a close friend of Beethoven, described him with “blackish-brown complexion.” Frederick Hertz, German anthropologist, used these terms to describe him: “Negroid traits, dark skin, flat, thick nose.”


Emil Ludwig, in his book “Beethoven,” says: “His face reveals no trace of the German. He was so dark that people dubbed him Spagnol [dark-skinned].” Fanny Giannatasio del Rio, in her book “An Unrequited Love: An Episode in the Life of Beethoven,” wrote “His somewhat flat broad nose and rather wide mouth, his small piercing eyes and swarthy [dark] complexion, pockmarked into the bargain, gave him a strong resemblance to a mulatto.” C. Czerny stated, “His beard--he had not shaved for several days--made the lower part of his already brown face still darker.”


 Following are one word descriptions of Beethoven from various writers: Grillparzer, “dark”; Bettina von Armin, “brown”; Schindler, “red and brown”; Rellstab, “brownish”; Gelinek, “short, dark.”


Newsweek, in its Sept. 23, 1991 issue stated, “Afrocentrism ranges over the whole panorama of human history, coloring in the faces: from Australopithecus to the inventors of mathematics to the great Negro composer Beethoven.”


BeethovenOf course, in the world of scholarship there are those who take an opposite view. In the book The Changing Image of Beethoven by Alessandra Comini, an array of arguments are presented. Donald W. MacArdle, in a 1949 Musical Quarterly article came to the conclusion that there was “no Spanish, no Belgian, no Dutch, no African” in Beethoven's genealogy. Dominque-Rene de Lerma, the great musical bibliologist, came to the same conclusion.


Included in this amazing discussion is a reference made of Beethoven’s teacher, Andre de Hevesy, in his book, Beethoven The Man. “Everyone knows the incident at Kismarton, or Eisenstadt, the residence of Prince Esterhazy, on his birthday. In the middle of the first allegro of Haydn’s symphony, His Highness asked the name of the author. He was brought forward.


“‘What!’ exclaimed the Prince, ‘the music is by the blackamoor (a black Moor). Well, my fine blackamoor, henceforth thou art in my service.’


“‘What is thy name?’


“‘Joseph Haydn.’”


We have all been fed false information for reasons previously mentioned. It is no secret that scholars, writers, critics, advertisers and Hollywood have changed history for their own specific reasons. What is uniquely different in the intellectual landscape, people of color now have an army of sophisticated scholars to combat the continuation and dissemination of false information that has been accepted as standard, as well as the canon in academia.


It is hoped that the revealing of this information will motivate others to critically look at all data flowing in their brains for authenticity. Hollywood is notorious for changing facts. I am not saying to hate Hollywood, but we do have to hold it accountable for disseminating inaccurate depictions, especially when it changes the course of history, by which our children are influenced.


Graphic credits:


1.) Louis Letronne, Beethoven, 1814, pencil drawing.

2.) Blasius Hofel, Beethoven, 1814, monochrome facsimile of engraving after a pencil drawing by Louis Letronne.

3.) Engraving by Blasius Hofel, Beethoven, 1814, color facsimile of engraving after a pencil drawing by Louis Letronne. This engraving was regarded in Beethoven's circle as particularly lifelike. Beethoven himself thought highly of it, and gave several copies to his friends.

©2003Kwaku Person-Lynn >>


 


To see orginal pictures and drawing of him back then see :http://www.africawithin.com/kwaku/beethoven.htm , compare this with the modern pictures of him that we see how his image was whitened over the years ..look at thi picture to see the progression : http://w3.rz-berlin.mpg.de/cmp/beethoven_pic.html , and now, look at the modern photos : http://www.lucare.com/immortal/



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I can't exactly remember where I read this one before... Revisionist to the extreme all the same and I'm still not convinced though.

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abre les ojos wrote:


I can't exactly remember where I read this one before... Revisionist to the extreme all the same and I'm still not convinced though.


thats b/c your a victim... so what if he is black. My problem is that if he is, just so say so give credit to the black man and lets all move on..but the fact that people go out of there way to whiten people is ridicoulous...he is not the only person who they have whitened.


Anyway, you dont believe that th moors conqured Spain in the 800s -fact. You dont believe his mother may have been a prduct of raps (once the spanierds left) - in some cases i here she was a prostitute , his father a drunk who 'beat the music into him' ... The fact remains that the earlier protraits of him show a dark man and over the years u never see that image, only of the ones porduced later where they made him look 'white' ...


Anyway, If his mother was North African or half- North African ...in American terms he would be black since there are no 'coloreds' in the USA  (1 frop rule = 1 drop and ur black. ) in Europe hed be bi-racial... If we are looking at it from Malawiwan point of view he was  "colored" but not black, but he was definatley not white !



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"He was definitely not white". Actually unless you can provide more than the flimsy evidence from revisionist sources that you have just provided, I cannot buy it.

A lot of stuff contemporary to the period Beethoven lived was written about him. Not one mentioned that he was black or close. None of his peers, not no one.

Same goes for the revisionist Jesus was black fables too. Considering that Jesus might not even have existed as a true historical person.

There are enough black innovators in musical history from Scott Joplin to Louis Armstrong, Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Marvin Gaye, Jimmy Hendrix, Michael Jackson...

I believe that claiming Beethoven to be black is just scraping the barrel...

Sadly there is no SUBSTANTIAL evidence for your claim...


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abre les ojos wrote:


"He was definitely not white". Actually unless you can provide more than the flimsy evidence from revisionist sources that you have just provided, I cannot buy it. A lot of stuff contemporary to the period Beethoven lived was written about him. Not one mentioned that he was black or close. None of his peers, not no one. Same goes for the revisionist Jesus was black fables too. Considering that Jesus might not even have existed as a true historical person. There are enough black innovators in musical history from Scott Joplin to Louis Armstrong, Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Marvin Gaye, Jimmy Hendrix, Michael Jackson... I believe that claiming Beethoven to be black is just scraping the barrel... Sadly there is no SUBSTANTIAL evidence for your claim...


My dear Abre, the seoncd link that I put up was from a source that dealt with nothing on revision. All they simply did was put up a random photo. for that second link I just googled "beethoven" it had all its historical pictures. If a revisionist does not need to tell u this then just look at all pictures (in fact find ouy own on any website, arrange them by date order ) and u tell me if he hasnt been whitened over the years ...sadly, you didint look at the sources they used in those...anyways, abre, i know where this i going with u and this will tunr out in to a long thread of bakc and forthe b/c u wont back down...and I wont either...


 


There is nothing wrong with revisionists...darwin basically called us monkys...if no one had been revising his thoeries ...we would have still been one step above monkeys accorsing to pupular science...popular history is the same...popular thought is the same ...just b/c it spopular doesnt mean its correct... emancipate ur self from mental salvery!



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abre les ojos wrote:
There is nothing wrong with revisionists...darwin basically called us monkys...if no one had been revising his thoeries ...we would have still been one step above monkeys accorsing to pupular science...popular history is the same...popular thought is the same ...just b/c it spopular doesnt mean its correct... emancipate ur self from mental salvery!




Darwin never called us monkeys. He called us apes; which we ARE. Essentially related to every monkey on the planet. Some people more so than other I might add. Enough of that...

I doubt the Beethoven was black thing. A lot of movements and groups have sprung up over the years; some casually out of the late 60s black power movements, that have spent considerable time and resources "blackening" history. Don't play me that "mental slavery" bull****t, I'm way above that!

Thanks to the internet a lot of alternative, conspiratorial theories have sprung up all over the place. Some are intriguing like yours, others are just plain rubbish.

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