Kodi ndi racism kapena terrorism

abuhakim · Senior Member

Kodi ndi racism kapena terrorism

awmygawd · Guru

Touchy subject.

Pope · Guru

I like it sooo much.

abuhakim, I hope you know the beginning of Islam and am sure you know those fanatics,when they carry a mission what do they say........in the name of islam.Even recently in malawi MAM was calling on muslims to pray for the atrocities of bingo.Muslims like conflicts as much as it is not preached in the quaaran.You sound knowledgeable but you lack the truth.Amen or inshah allah.

Lastly,christians in malawi are 80%,others 5% muslims 15% by last year.

-- Edited by Pope at 16:24, 2006-05-11

abre les ojos · Guru

Touchy subject indeed...

Unfortunately, all tha rhetori and propaganda has meant that you miss the point of it completely.

Firstly, what is happening in the world today - the stuff that the west calls terrorism and the war gainst it is a farce. What is terrorism. It is a methos of warfare. How can you wage war on an abstract. What is terrorism that can be "fought". The motheods applied to curb it are; from someone else's point of view, terrorism itself.

9/11 or the London Tube bombings are not a result of religion (as much as I abhor religion) but of politics. Islam isn't even the catalist.

The war in Iraq, for instance has killed probably 100000 innocent people. As it claims it is for democracy. Now if you believe that rubbish and support it, what is the difference with 9/11 in terms of the use of aggression to justify a political goal?

Islam in general doesn't actually preach violence any more than Christianity does. But the issue here is of dissent born of desperation. Be it Palestine or Afghanistan or Iraq.

As for racism. Yes it is racism. I doubt if it was a bunch of white men that did 9/11 (and it probably is if you believe the conspiracies) that the US would be bombing their country.

Mulopwana · Veteran Member

You cannot distinguish terrorism from racism. When the latter builds up the result is the anger. Its the anger which brings terrorism.

game · Guru

a terrorist can be anyone,black, white,asian.he can come from any denomination,islam,christianity,buddhaism,even in the time of jesus,there was a group of people who were terrorists,judas iscariot formerly known as judas of kerioth,he came from a tribe of zealots who were regarded as the freedom fighters for the whole jewish tribe against the roman rule.a terrorist is anyone who uses violence or force to achieve any end.be it political,financial,or just power.people misunderstood Jihad for terrorism,but in true sense jihad has never been fought.those muslim extremists dont defend their faith.they are stupid people who attack the west by hiding behind islam so to justify their evil actions.

abre les ojos · Guru

What about the Israelis that use force to justify their needs and hide behind their claim that God gave them that land. As far as I'm concerned Islamic terrorism is political not religious. Osama Bin Laden is no more a present day Guevara. What really makes the west see him as "evil" is just media propaganda. Years ago when he was fighting the Russians and the CIA were training him he was considered a military genius.

Till today there is no evidence linking him directly to 911. None whatsoever. I must say that majority of the Islamic terrorism is aimed at US policy and Israel. If you lived in Palestine you'll understand why they are pissed off. They are not stupid and they are certainly not cowards. They are considered martyrs and heroes where they come from. Well, here in the west people are given medals for killing enemies aren't they?

One man's terrorist is another man's hero.

Mandela was called a terrorist by the Thatcher government. Funny how things change.

Pope · Guru

You are telling me that terrorists are just freedom fighters,fighting for a good cause.Yes,Bin Ladden is a product of CIA, whom they thought would help in the fight against Russia and thus why he desrves discipline after breaking the bond of agreement.I dont think his fight or his attitude towards the west can be justified as a good fight.We need to describe the word terror before we use the word terrorist.

abre les ojos · Guru

Pope wrote:

You are telling me that terrorists are just freedom fighters,fighting for a good cause.Yes,Bin Ladden is a product of CIA, whom they thought would help in the fight against Russia and thus why he desrves discipline after breaking the bond of agreement.I dont think his fight or his attitude towards the west can be justified as a good fight.We need to describe the word terror before we use the word terrorist.

The adage is always that the West is right and anyone who resists Western domination is irrational. If you knew your history you'll see mindless, endless crimes commited against non-whites. The Whites called the Native Americans fighting for their land terrorists. They call the Palestinians doing the same terrorists. The Taliban might have been over the top by western standards but they were a soverign government.

Whateve you thought about Saddam, Iraq is his country and America has no right to change its government.

He deserves discipline for what? Do you know why he turned his back on the US? I'll tell you why.

It is because during the first Iraq war America sent tropps to Saudi Arabia. And Saudi Arabia is considered sacred ground to devout Islam. To them it is an offence to have foreign troops staged there in preparence to attack other Muslims. America since then has quietly withdrawn its troops from there but now there's still the problem of Iraq and Afghanistan.

You might buy that western rhetoric about "war on terror" and all that bull**** but you have to see the other side of the story which is sadly never told.

Still I repeat, There's is NO evidence of Bin Laden actually linked to 9/11.

Pope · Guru

so we agree that the hunt for Bin Laden is due to the break of code of conduct which he made with CIA.He should have been stupid to make that bond with west,that is if we see the west as a bad ally to be.If you were in America shoes or British shoes you would do exactly the same,defending your stupid but just cause.As a nation America will keep controlling the world and history tells us when this battle started,long before world war one and two.What other countries should do is to learn how to amass so much power without detection by the west before they start making noise.

For your reminder Abre,how many pipo on this forum has ever cried foul with you or game?Why? becoz you sound heavier to them and am sure you will not burge to their natural failures.The equation is the same with world power control and terrorism stories,so here the terrorists are the firstbends and ayatollah might be Bin Laden(just my opinion).

what do you say?

-- Edited by Pope at 13:03, 2006-05-19

abre les ojos · Guru

Every country bases its foreign policy not on altruism, but on self-interest.

The truth is with America. Countries become friends, fall out etc and these are usually based on policy isses and are most frequently economic rather than ideological. Ideology was the essence of the Mujahadden and US relationship; from their side. The difference was that from the point of view of the US it was strictly about $$$.

And you are as wrong as you can possibly be about America "controlling" the world. Every empire in history collapsed. EVERY. Same applies to America. 30 or 40 years ago it was impossible to envisage the fall of the Soviet Union. Rome, Greece, Persia, Great Britain, France, Austria-Hungary. The list of fallen empires is as long as history itself. America is next in line. The general reasons and symtons of a falling empire are evident at the moment today in America. How long this process might take is a matter of debate, but it's inevitability cannot be questioned.

I just hope it happens in my lifetime.

Something Kissinger once said (and I never really liked him either) was that never compare the conduct of individuals with that of national states. Whether people on this forum debate and disagree with Game and I is irrelevant in relation with a debate about the conduct of America and its foreign policy. No other country has comitted as many crimes against humanity than America post WWII

Pope · Guru

abre les ojos wrote:

. The general reasons and symtons of a falling empire are evident at the moment today in America. How long this process might take is a matter of debate, but it's inevitability cannot be questioned. I just hope it happens in my lifetime.

we're looking to that as well.

But will africa benefit to the fall of america or we will sit and wait as it passes.But the onus remains if it can really happen because what we see today is abit different from what we saw in the time of austria hungary.We have no power balance amongst nations......we have concertrated on weak regional leagues.

abre les ojos · Guru

Of course Africa would benefit from the demise of the US. The entire developing world would. Same way Africa and Asia benefited by the decline of the west post WWII and that led to the end of colonialism.

With the risk of sounding Jihadist I think the world should be working harder that America is doing itself to speed up its decline.

Of course it can really happen. Every empire falls its just a fact.

Pope · Guru

I agree with you on rise and falls of empires but time matters.If it takes longer then the heavier the damage.It also deepends on the opposition if it is meaningful and in this case there's no strong opposition.Lets look back at the events leading to Iraq invasion,it was pitiful to see how other countries played female roles to america and britain.America produces weapons everyday including the deadly WMD and nobody monitors her let alone the UN.I foresee the road longer to the downfall of these superpowers.