old and useless

game · Guru

old and useless

awmygawd · Guru

game wrote:

we can create a modern industrial society which can offer jobs and tackle unemployment which is the root of our poverty in malawi

That sounds like hippy 'peace & love' talk. I agree with you, in a way, just don't trivialise the complexity of the poverty problem. Your heart's in the right place. Don't know about your head.

-- Edited by awmygawd at 15:53, 2006-03-30

guevara · Senior Member

True that Game.see i love Mao Zedong, because of his principles.

'Revolution is not about getting arms, but replacing the old with the new."

see, this is what our country "desparately" needs!!

REVOLUTION.

People in malawi can do the talk but cant walk the walk. the country needs young well educated true daughters and sons.dont we(malawians) feel ashamed when we look at our neibhours?

till that day, save the crying!

Pope · Guru

What we should be saying is we have to talk and walk the walk.If you look at the pipo in malawi only then forget,they have scones in their mouth.

Look at these probable leaders;Kasambara,Dulani,Matabwa,Atupele,Kachali(sp),Vuwa,etc.Do they represent us as young leaders.

I think on the other hand we should blame our culture.

-- Edited by Pope at 16:43, 2006-03-30

game · Guru

word guevara.its time to destroy and rebuild,check this out.

MCP and UDF delegates to the ongoing national constitutional conference have objected to proposals that the Constitution should set maximum age limit for people aspiring to contest in presidential elections.
The delegates were reacting to political scientist Boniface Dulani’s presentation in which he said young Malawians do not stand a chance of rising to the country’s presidency because old political party leaders are not ready to hand over power.
Dulani told delegates to the four-day conference that unless the Constitution states the maximum age limit for presidential candidates, young blood would not be able to participate in the presidential race on a party ticket.
“The Malawi political arena has for a long time been, and continues to be, dominated by names that have been around for a long time and are quite old,” he said.
“Introducing a maximum age limit would therefore open up opportunities for a new and younger leadership that would have the potential to build on the foundations already laid down and also introduce new ways of governance.”

guevara · Senior Member

They are not "true".They have no cause.

Any Revolution should have a cause,these people have never been in a revolution.

they jumped in "a moving boat". they are not different from the old "masters".

i know people,when time is right,Malawi will never be the same. Watch the space!

Pope · Guru

game wrote:

word guevara.its time to destroy and rebuild,

Exactly what we need to do.We need an infight of young blood in both MCP and UDF,even DPP.Appointments should stop and replaced by elections.We to show Tembo and crew an xit

guevara · Senior Member

WE(the people,the tax payers), will have a say ONE day.it will be final.

guevara · Senior Member

Game, tell them about destroying and rebuilding.

DId i hear young soildiers?

Pope · Guru

guevara wrote:

WE(the people,the tax payers), will have a say ONE day.it will be final.

am waiting for that day

game · Guru

pope

your probable line up is full of ass licking fools,we need real fighters.people who can bring change for poor malawians,we need people who can serve the plebeian,revolutionary minded lot.a change of this kind requires alot of work,alot of new thinking and planning at every colloquium,platforms and street corners.we need people who are closely in touch with the youth,i strongly rule out kasambara and atupele.

we need people who will implement our wishes,to preach is easy we now need actions.we the youth have been struggling for a long time,now we need to struggle more successfully,and to do so we need a theory,built up from principles.but from where do the principles come from?they come from observation and practical understanding.

the best formulation of the necessary interplay of theory and practice,that i know of,comes from mao Tse-tung.Go to the practical people,he says, and learn from them.we the youth of malawi have done that for a very long time its time to put what we've learned into practice.

guevara · Senior Member

talk about Mao..............

Pope · Guru

And break the culture band away.....viva malawiiiiiiii.I will soon sstand as an MP.Yes the Mao type at the end they will say we have done.........

NYASALAND · Senior Member

Pope wrote:

game wrote: word guevara.its time to destroy and rebuild, Exactly what we need to do.We need an infight of young blood in both MCP and UDF,even DPP.Appointments should stop and replaced by elections.We to show Tembo and crew an xit

While I agree that youth leadership development for Malawi is widely seen as a tool for manipulation of youth power but honestly , I dont see no sign of readiness and genuinity within you the youth of Malawi to work hard and take on the countrys present political and social-economic challenges and responsibilities. Do you the youth of Malawi have a passion for socio-economic justice?

Would Ya!!!?? You wouldn't take a forteen -year-old, give them the keys to a car, and let them loose on city streets of London, Tokyo,New York,or Berlin to 'learn how to drive' - and I just hope we shouldn't do that with Malawis leadership, either.Achinyamata matama basi , fotseki.

game · Guru

thats the slavish mentality we want to eliminate,malawi's political spectrum needs a complete face lift with youthfull blood transfusion.thats the only way we can achieve economic prosperity and global recognition.obstacles like you are easy to surmount because you are a brainwashed lot who are allergic to change.

its time for a revolutionary warfare,we need to tackle corruption by cutting their wind pipe,move malawi from a society thats ruled primarily by the idolatry of enrichissez-vous,a breed of corrupt rich leaders.

Ngwazi · Guru

NYASALAND wrote:

I dont see no sign of readiness and genuinity within you the youth of Malawi to work hard and take on the countrys present political and social-economic challenges and responsibilities. Do you the youth of Malawi have a passion for socio-economic justice? Would Ya!!!??

Nyasaland,

it is clear that you have no respect for the youth and their achievements.It is funny today to hear these old dinosaurs today standing up and saying the youth cannot be entrusted with power yet almost all of them were very young when they entered politics.How old was Aleke Banda,John Tembo,Gwanda Chakuamba in 1959?The truth is we have capable young Malawians in both sectors of society who can excell very well in leadership roles but only if they were given a chance.The problem we have in Malawi is that power is sweet and these old timers dont want to give up power even when the odds are stacked against them,you look at the names I have mentioned,they have been there since 1959 and are even preparing to contest in 2009,50 years later!!!!!What a shame!

You look at young people like Collins Magalasi,Victor Lungu,Willard Gwengwe,Innocencia Nkhoma,Seodi White et al,you cant tell me that they cannot be good leaders.Funny enough we have a minimum age of 35 for one to become a President and yet we cant have a maximum age limit,why?I thought with ageing comes slow thinking and unpredictability?Minimum and maximum are extremes of each other,you cant have one and not the other,its hypocritical to set a minimum age limit and not a maximum especially in a democracy where its the people choice that carries the day,at least our friends in Benin have a minimum age of 21 and maximum of 71,it makes sense.

But then its high time we the youth stopped feeling sorry for ourselves and take the initiative.We already know that obaba o Tembo or Mbuya Chakuamba or Munganya Chihana will cling on to power come what may and our only hope is to make sure that in whatever party we are,the youth are organised into proper voting blocks that when a convention comes,our preferred youth candidate wins,the other option is to start our own party of the youth,by the youth and for the youth only with emphasis on grooming future leaders.

-- Edited by Ngwazi at 23:04, 2006-03-30

game · Guru

Ngwazi wrote:

Minimum and maximum are extremes of each other,you cant have one and not the other,its hypocritical to set a minimum age limit and not a maximum especially in a democracy where its the people choice that carries the day,at leat our friends in Benin have a minimum age of 21 and maximum of 71,it makes sense. But then its high time we the youth started feeling sorry for ourselves and take the initiative.We already know that obaba o Tembo or Mbuya Chakuamba or Munganya Chihana will cling on to power come what may and our only hope is to make sure that in whatever party we are,the youth are organised into proper voting blocks that when a convention comes,our preferred youth candidate wins,the other option is to start our own party of the youth,by the youth and for the youth only with emphasis on grooming future leaders.

ngwazi,thanks for a well constructed thred,effective and articulate,thats exactly what we need.these people should go in nursing homes and pave way for the youth.kamuzu called himself the life president and that same mentality is sprouting in these people's heads thinking they can be politictians for life.whats so sweet about politics thats making people to cling to it forever,if its not the money then God knows what else.

Pope · Guru

Nyasaland, your xaample is old fashioned as your name.

To Ngwazi, I salute you man and I hope these discussions will go on for some time.As said by my bro game...we need to start fitting our selves in the system and stand for different positions during their conventions.What we should know is that we have the brains,money and numbers amongst the youth.

NYASALAND · Senior Member

Pope wrote:

Nyasaland, your xaample is old fashioned as your name. To Ngwazi, I salute you man and I hope these discussions will go on for some time.As said by my bro game...we need to start fitting our selves in the system and stand for different positions during their conventions.What we should know is that we have the brains,money and numbers amongst the youth.

Engaging young Malawians as active political leaders and partners is a core principle of the countrys asset building . We are witnessing young leadership in Malawi today and you know that .Dont you?Talk of Peter Chinoko of CCJP, he is doing a great job. Talk of Viwemi Chavula, Frank Warren for Legal Guide . But its all about how you eefectively do it as a nation?When you see them working within a patrol of the big guns , it should not be considered a lesser position in our country. Its the backbone of the learning process towards responsibility.Kuyendetsa dziko is not as simple as kukhala ndi mapasa anayi mbanja. You cant just wake up one morning and thinking you are a revolutionary just because you have read and discussed a few literature with your professor. Keep those volumes you have read aside and search yourself.

game · Guru

thats where the word inspiration comes from,you look out to people to give you the drive,to bring out the best in you,revolution is a cause.like che guevara,geronimo,mandela.malawians are light hearted people thats why politictians treat them like garbage,i know corruption,i have seen it with my own eyes,the poor are always left in the dark to struggle because they cant afford a penny to palm oil some government official.

if we are all revolutionary minded,from msanje to chitipa,politictians can feel our presence,they need to be intellectually challenged,one by one they will be forced into retirement then the welfare of the poor will be on the agenda,the youth have the power,mentally,physically and psychologically to level the political field for smooth running of government affairs.what happened to the "youth are the leaders of tomorrow slogan".tomorrow is now.we need representatives in all areas of the government,from the legistrature,judicial,civil service all these areas need young and fresh blood.

in every revolution there is opposition,and those who oppose are actually those who dont want change,aleke banda was very young when he started politics so was john T its time to kick these people out the same way they kicked atsamunda.alot of able young men and women of malawi right now dont work because these people still occupy their positions.its time ladis and gentle men and if takes guns then we will all be dying.

sepusepu · Senior Member

I get excited about young men & women taking greater responsibility. I pause for a second to quiz myself am i sure? The same guys that get on a bus in Zomba and curse all the way to Poly. What morals are we projecting to the public. Dont get me wrong they are some young men and women that have achieved alot and hold themselves responsible unfortunatelly they are a rare breed.

What would stop the youth to get corrupt once they get into power? I know its always good to try something new so that at the end of the day we want sit down and say we should have....... Unfortunatelly not all change is good, unless we show to the public that we can get it done in real life.

The other thing that we have to remember is that one day we will be the old stock.What can stop the youth of today from becoming the JZU of tommorrow? The most important thing is to set goals that you want to achieve and once you believe that you have delivered whats expected of you pave way for others.

Last but not least lets not use the criteria of who (youth/not) but rather what can they bring to the table. I prefer a mixture of youth and veterans. These veterans are human and they will kiss the ground one day.

sepu

-- Edited by sepusepu at 20:17, 2006-03-31

game · Guru

sepu.

when people say we want the old to pave way for the youth does not mean everyone of the youth will be a leader,and does not mean everyone of the old will stand down.the point is,we want the youth to take serious responsibilities of the direction malawi is heading right now,its time for the youth to take the driving seat,and to do that a few of the old will have to pave way.

we have the capacity to run a country like malawi,only if given a chance,i know its difficult to directly calculate what is right,but we jolly well know what is wrong.like in politics,the principle task is always the restoration of balance,while everyone prefers the older the wiser,it is therefore necessary to insist on the virtues of smallness.kukhalitsa mchimbudzi sikudziwa kunyera,so they say.the same thing with politics.look at where our economy is heading,are you saying if we bring in fresh and young blood nothing will change?what do you do with an old pair of shoes?do you wear it till its completely worn out or you buy another one?

-- Edited by game at 20:53, 2006-03-31

sepusepu · Senior Member

Game

The question that i have is that, are there barriers for the youth to take on these influential positions? If they are do you think measures should be put in place to favor the youth or rather keep a plain field for everyone to compete? What kind of chance are we looking for?

The Chief Justice Henry Phoya is a Middle aged lad. He has done well in his career and has ended up where he is now. I have been out of Nyasa for 4.5 yrs i might be wrong. Unfortunately experience is the best teacher unless if an individual is among the few that always exceed expectation then he can be propelled to the top.

The only thing about the influential positions is that you have to project a good picture to the public, superiors etc. Building a good reputation takes time there is no short cut. The journey to the top is comprised of baby steps, at the end of the day you will get there in your middle age.

Ladies and gentlemen i hope this shall not act as a discouragement but rather a piece of reality. Be patient. My mum always told me where there is will there is a way.

sepu

game · Guru

sepusepu.

your mother is very wise,"where there is a will there is a way" and the young generation of malawi need to discover their will to find a way and walk through it,what am up against is the unfairness,you know sepu,in practical sense.if human vices such us greed and envy are systematically cultivated,the inevittable result in nothing less than a collapse of intelligence.

our politictians,"the old and frail fools"are driven by greed and envy thats why they often lose the power of seeing things as they are,they cant see things in their roundness and wholeness,and no wonder their successes have become failures.now if we dont act accordingly we may end up infected by these vices.so the best thing right now is to uproot the evil for the good.just for a better malawi,thats where the youth come in.

Pope · Guru

YOU CAN NOT PUT NEW WINE INTO AN OLD WINE SKIN, so what we need is an average age(lets say not more than 65 yrs) to be active in managing the nation.I believe its the strongest that can make a strong result.How do we do it is now another topic,we wont say outright go old guards,no nooo,we are saying this is the time to start fitting in.An example is given of Phoya,whom we may follow.

sepusepu · Senior Member

The truth is that for you to get these influential positions you have to be somewhat like them (kiss their ass) until you get to the top and the turn against them. If not they will make sure that you are not heard and cannot go up the ladder.
My question is some people may be infected temporaliy to get to the to but what about those that get to the top and then stick to greed & corruption?
This comes down to what our current president did in order to take the country in another directiion, whether its good or bad is open to debate.

sepu

game · Guru

politics is a game of scratch my back i scratch yours,but these people just want to be scratched and not scratch back,we need to break barriers and force our way through.

sepusepu · Senior Member

Indeed it’s a dirty game. If you want to play get ready suit up and go all in. I am the kind who is more concerned with the economy than our cheap politics unfortunately they affect each other tremendously. As of now I will stick to the economy & let others enlighten us on politics.

sepu

game · Guru

sepusepu wrote:

Indeed it’s a dirty game. If you want to play get ready suit up and go all in. I am the kind who is more concerned with the economy than our cheap politics unfortunately they affect each other tremendously. As of now I will stick to the economy & let others enlighten us on politics. sepu

well,talking about economy,where do you think malawis economy will be in ten years ahead if we still have old frail leaders?we need to feed each other with more information and keep our eyes open.right now the young people of malawi have very little information and experience because the current leaders and policy makers tend to overlook important facts.we need to have perfectly adequate knowledge of the current financial situation as this can create a reasonable and realistic financial future trends.

this is from the nation,DD phiri column."This might be a good example for Malawi. We have seen Presidents approaching the age of 80 failing to manage economics of their country."

-- Edited by game at 22:12, 2006-04-04