Some hope

Zee · Member

Some hope

abre les ojos · Guru

Don't you just love America. People are marching to keep immigrants in. Here in England people March to keep them out!

Pope · Guru

abre les ojos wrote:

Here in England people March to keep them out!

Thats how it should be. I can see some sense in the bill.

Date: Mar 27, 2006

Pope wrote:

Thats how it should be. I can see some sense in the bill.

You'll change your mind. How soon; I don't know, but you will eventually. Laws like that are destined to backfire.

Pope · Guru

May be,but what if you were in their shoes.

Date: Mar 27, 2006

Pope wrote:

May be,but what if you were in their shoes.

The lawmakers?

abre les ojos · Guru

Pope wrote:

May be,but what if you were in their shoes.

You obviously don't live in the West. If you did you'll probably be more aware of immigration and all the hyprocrisy that surrounds it.

Black Panther · Senior Member

My question is where are the africans ? I see Europeans, Lationos, and Carabeans mentioned....Where are you Africa....

The bill includes a guest worker program but it will also criminalise every single illegal person in the US - it also makes it illegal to help an immigrant. If an illegal immigrant sleeps at your house... you are a criminal - anyone that has siblings , some in status other out would be commiting a criminal act. The bill DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. who ever said that please tkae time ane review the bill in its entirety... It also means that in the next 2 yrs anyone who is trying to swithc jobs will have to be screened thru the INS. All employer will have a hotline # to call in to see if your ilegal. They will cheak US cicitzens too so forget abuot a loophole where u can pass as an American and wont be chekced. Also, People who are currenlty employed will be forced to undergoe a similar check. When u turn peopl e in to criminal it automatically means anything u do will bear a bigger punishment. Under the new bill a green card holder can be deporte for drinking and driving. No one is safe.

Date: Mar 28, 2006

Bet the Wal mart execs are seeing their shrinks over this!

Pope · Guru

abre les ojos wrote:

You obviously don't live in the West. If you did you'll probably be more aware of immigration and all the hyprocrisy that surrounds it.

It pains those who disowns their motherlands.If I were there I would make sure I qualify to their needs.For your information,Ive my direct relatives living there legally.What they are doing is just to screen those fanatics in fear of next bombers.Just for mu info...are you living as an expertriate,student or illegal immigrant.no offence intended.

Pope · Guru

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The lawmakers?

No, citizen of that country.

Black Panther · Senior Member

POPE WROTE: It pains those who disowns their motherlands.If I were there I would make sure I qualify to their needs.For your information,Ive my direct relatives living there legally.What they are doing is just to screen those fanatics in fear of next bombers.Just for mu info...are you living as an expertriate,student or illegal immigrant.no offence intended.

Pope, From your statement I can see that you really dont live here. Your family is legal in the US great. but for every one legal family there is about 5 have been turned away from trying to become legal in the liegit way. Illegal immirgation is not just about the Mexicans, its about all imimgrants in the US, and at the end of the day when they are trying to purge out the Mexicans we will be purged too. If it was that easy to get a green card in the US , dont u thing a normal person would have tried to do so ? No one chooses to be illegal , unless they are face with a system that doesnt want to legalise them. Do you reliase that immigration laws in the US are desinged to keep people out and not in? For African it is worse. An african in order to immigrate here legally needs to have a college degree, Europeans high school. Th law here is by no means fair, or equal to all groups. And under the law, if ur illegal , whether ur in w white collar job or a blue collar one, u can still get got. And to prove my point I would like to challenge you to try and come to the states, and apply from a green card legally and do everything by the book - it aint gonna happen. There are abuot 12- 17 Million illegals in the US, and the US issues something like 20,000 visas per yr, and they ae planing to reduce this number - reducing this number is not going to keep a terrorist out. Most of the terrorist were green card holders or here under student visas. They werent people living here illegally trying to make $2 and hour at a milk farm.

They pitch this whole immigration thing and make it sound like its about border protection and the fanatics - but really , Mexicans - there not fanatics, and niether are africans. The laws they pass pertain to all. The only thing is that at leat inLation American they will have a guest worker program. Europeans will alwyas be white...that leaves us, the black african -

abre les ojos · Guru

Pope wrote:

It pains those who disowns their motherlands.If I were there I would make sure I qualify to their needs.For your information,Ive my direct relatives living there legally.What they are doing is just to screen those fanatics in fear of next bombers.Just for mu info...are you living as an expertriate,student or illegal immigrant.no offence intended.

Every country had immigrants. In fact America is made up almost entirely of immigrants who "disowned" their countries. Unfortunately for you since you don't live in the west you are harldy aware or the dynamics of the immigration debates and political point scoring from both sides.

The right-wing American government has spent so much time ratching up the fear of immigrants that they don't know what is real and what is actually made up. Their foreign policy isn't even helping much.

The amount of revenue that these immigrant contribute to the economy is so much that they cannot afford to restrict it. Not with the present deficit.

Pope · Guru

abre les ojos wrote:

The amount of revenue that these immigrant contribute to the economy is so much that they cannot afford to restrict it. Not with the present deficit.

Thats where you are wrong,then why are they?Do you think they are mad.If you see a frog in the day,know theres something chasing behind.I said already,I alwaays move as a legal immigrant and you are right we have illegal immigrants in malawi thus why we keep flushing out aand changing our immigration laws.By the way you forgot my question.

abre les ojos · Guru

If the question was about my legal status; I'm a citizen of this country. Fortunately for me. But if you did live here you'll see for yourself the hypocrisy and racism that underlines the debate as Blackpanther has shown.

It's obvious you don't and probably never lived in the west. If you had you'll know what the fuss is about and why those thousands of people are demonstrating.

Black Panther · Senior Member

Just in case your wondering, Im legal here too. but I dont forget about the many people that do not hav the opportunity right now, and I will stand by them weather form Mexcio or Malawi. You see,

Pope wrote, "I alwaays move as a legal immigrant "

And this is a good thing, and please consider yourself lucky but remember that they are many , that try to live legally but have stacks against them. Obviously everyone tries to live life legally, but sometimes , if you want to get anywhere in life, people are forced to do what they can and this is how the fitest survive.

Pope · Guru

abre les ojos wrote:

If the question was about my legal status; I'm a citizen of this country. Fortunately for me.

Thats being wise,nowonder your positions on most of issues.Thats what people shoud be doing instead of survival of fittest or in the name of economical contribution.Africa needs most of those illegal immigrants and they have to flush them out,out ouuut and back to home.

I have lived in the west and I know what is like and thus why I would rather stay here and try to contribute to my motherland and enjoy the little is there than go through all those ridiculing plans,speeches,targeted bills and racisms.Abre, you may have a good work,home and status but check on others dont you think they would have been better here or in Mexico.LETS BE REALISTIC Panther,and we r saying we have vision for our future Malawi.

The bottom line is that we have to be legal to avoid such embassments.

awmygawd · Guru

Pope wrote:

No, citizen of that country.

That's the most politically ignorant population on the face of the earth you're talking of, they don't know any better.If I were American and I understood the economics of immigration in the US (fat chance!), the passing of that bill would reeeeeeally p*** me of.

If you can, get hold of last week's Time magazine and take a look at the globalisation articles. It has an analysis of China's trading relationship with the US, and the reasonableness of the various reactions and perceptions (in both countrys, Europe and the rest of the world) of globalisation, and China's ever growing competitive clout.

Thre negative effects are there, but the people who have felt them are much more visible than those that have benefited as a result. They are protecting their interests, they have to be seen. Politicians have responded by trying to "out tough" each other. The Immigration bill (or whatever its called) is the product of poliical survival, certainly not rationality. If you look at the bill in light of all the figures, you will see it is is quite unreasonable.

Pope · Guru

awmygawd wrote:

It has an analysis of China's trading relationship with the US, and the reasonableness of the various reactions and perceptions (in both countrys, Europe and the rest of the world) of globalisation, and China's ever growing competitive clout. Thre negative effects are there, but the people who have felt them are much more visible than those that have benefited as a result. They are protecting their interests, they have to be seen. Politicians have responded by trying to "out tough" each other.

A weapon is what you use to fight an enemy, you dont look at it as an object.I once said theres a tod being chased in the day time...........may be do you know the one chasing.America is in turmoil,remember what Chavez(sp) said at one time, in another century we may see a different America and I hope we are preparing for that like China is doing.

Black Panther · Senior Member

Pope wrote:

abre les ojos wrote: If the question was about my legal status; I'm a citizen of this country. Fortunately for me. Thats being wise,nowonder your positions on most of issues.Thats what people shoud be doing instead of survival of fittest or in the name of economical contribution.Africa needs most of those illegal immigrants and they have to flush them out,out ouuut and back to home. I have lived in the west and I know what is like and thus why I would rather stay here and try to contribute to my motherland and enjoy the little is there than go through all those ridiculing plans,speeches,targeted bills and racisms.Abre, you may have a good work,home and status but check on others dont you think they would have been better here or in Mexico.LETS BE REALISTIC Panther,and we r saying we have vision for our future Malawi. The bottom line is that we have to be legal to avoid such embassments.

The bottom line is that we have to be legal to avoid such embassments.

people aim at being legal but the system doesnt want to leagalise everyone so they end up being illegal. Why would you be embarrased to be illegal if there is a systme that is unfair to you or gives you embarresemnet... some of the people that marched in the streets cmae and gave thie names and said I am here I am illegal .... I dont see the connection between having vision and being illegal when itss forced on people and not a choice....???? It is also fair to say it is very good for leaders to live outside of theri enviroment because it gives you new ideas to implement and a new perspective on life!

To Abre -no wonder your positions on most of issues.Thats what people shoud be doing instead of survival of fittest or-

I think Abres status should have nothing to do with the viewpoints he has - If someone has valid points and can validate them....fine with me. Anyway, I dont know how else to put it to Pope- but like I said - people try to survive because they are forced in to a situation - most people dont emigrate anywhere with intentions of being illegal....

I would rather stay here and try to contribute to my motherland and enjoy the little is there

for every one person like youthat is doing okay and 'enjoying ' the use of computers and ability to click on there are 50 guys that would have been doing nothing back home. Thats the reality. There is little opportunity in malawi. this doesnt mean that those 50 people are less Malawian or appreciate the country any less..