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ROCH · Newbie

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achibale · Newbie

UK People Kodi?

Yeah akumudzi you are right! UK people coz this has been happenning for ages but one fact i can tell you is that it has happening in almost all the Armed forces in the world and to people of all nationalities including this happening in Malawi and to Malawian male soldiers.

They do not do this for any favours but its tatal Rape (sodomy we may call it) and these young lads dont have a say ....remember Deepcut Deaths? yes those are disgraced young men who couldnt take it anymore. Its not about stay but rather the cruelty of the officers. In a Military world if you behave in such a manner you are dischared from the services, IT IS A CRIME. If your cousin said he is comming home because of this ask him to tell you the main reason for this. infact, if he wants to come home he must have have served for not less than 4 years after which he is eligble to retire unless otherwise dismissed for other reasons and he wants to cite the hardships as his reasons for comming home. I don't believe its 'cause they want to go to other countries that they do this. One sad fact is that 80% of foreign nationals serving in the British army have been sent on tour of duty even without their volunteering.( ofcourse you dont need to volunnteer)

I Hope he is not just one of those bad carpenters shifting the blame on his tools. Those that join the arny in search for greener pasture Good Luck. You will find this actually much more nasty things than this.

-- Edited by achibale at 22:09, 2006-01-13

abre les ojos · Guru

They're soldiers! What the hell do yoy expect? They're being trained to kill people. It isn't a tea party. Don't you know anything? Soldiers are routinely dehumanised, that's basic part of their training EVERYWHERE in the world.

It strikes as awfully hypocritical if we are shocked about soldiers having to do such things and don't even move an eyelid when we hear that they've just killed a hundred "enemy" soldiers.

It's no big deal. People sleep with bosses to get favours everywhere, in every industry. It's even worse in Malawi. So don't get all high and mighty about it being a UK phenomenon and use it as an excuse to air your prejudices about Malawi people who live in the UK.

ROCH · Newbie

You idiots dont you think its about time 4 all this to come to an end bwanji mumafuna kuti muzizolowela zinthu popeza zinayamba kale kuchitika.Anyway i dont have to argue with people like you that are willing to eat s.....t inorder to survive.Keep on doing what you are good at wiping old people's bums,cleaning toilets and dont forget to kiss ur boss's a....

game · Guru

You idiots dont you think its about time 4 all this to come to an end bwanji mumafuna kuti muzizolowela zinthu popeza zinayamba kale kuchitika.Anyway i dont have to argue with people like you that are willing to eat s.....t inorder to survive.Keep on doing what you are good at wiping old people's bums,cleaning toilets and dont forget to kiss ur boss's a....

you sound green with envy than concerned mate.

its a pity that they go through so much mental torture and post war trauma just for the indefinate stay,now they are being put on the frontlines fighting the insurgents in iraq,Tony blair doesnt want any british citizens dying in iraq so he will go all the way to employ these desperate africans to fight his war.

no wonder they are only taught how to kill an iraq,no maximum military training,or any knowledge of military intelligence in case they leak it out.i feel sorry for my fellow malawians but who am i to judge at the end of the day we all go to certain limits to survive.right now if you hear that ten british soldiers been killed in a roadside bomb in iraq just know that eight are malawians or africans thats why the publicity is surpressed in case it backfires.

-- Edited by game at 21:21, 2006-01-13

abre les ojos · Guru

ROCH wrote:

You idiots dont you think its about time 4 all this to come to an end bwanji mumafuna kuti muzizolowela zinthu popeza zinayamba kale kuchitika.Anyway i dont have to argue with people like you that are willing to eat s.....t inorder to survive.Keep on doing what you are good at wiping old people's bums,cleaning toilets and dont forget to kiss ur boss's a....

...And what do YOU do for a living???

sibweni · Senior Member

i wish we had national service in malawi roch you could`ve had clear pic of what happens pa mafco not talking of political correct british army.

ma trainee apa mafco amazinyerera mu kiti. instructor akayambana ndi mkazi wake mwatha. kuno amgona amatenga maholiday now and then in the course oftraining that never happens in malawi cause very few will be going back.

we need national service may you could have been disciplined osati kunyang`wa kwako uko.

as for the girls leave them alone pamalopo ndi pako? the clever ones utilises what they have? akampanila whats the use of it then knob?

abre les ojos · Guru

...And Sibweni,

Who's going to pay for the national service????

I mean, Malawi can hardy afford it.

sibweni · Senior Member

just a wish bro!

anita · Newbie

Hey, wait a minute, do you know what the problem is? well first of all, all of you good for nothing, less intelligent fools who believe you can not do anything in MW and that Africa is doomed, and that getting a permanent stay in UK or US guarantees your happiness, you need to get real and open your f***** eyes and realise its time for all of you to go home. Malawi need soldiers,teachers, nurses, lawyers, doctors, the list is endless. What in the devils name are all these graduates from whatever uni. doing in nursing homes in UK or US. God forbid you fools need to open your f***** eyes. Well what about doing the same **** job that any mbuzi who did not pass form 2 exams is doing eh? what do you think people say behind your back? It does not matter? well you know it matters and maybe that is why you were spending sleepless nights at secondary school while others were sleeping, having sex or masturbating. Why you were busy studying complex courses,(calculus,solid mechanics,soil science,biochemistry, etc) and wrote supplementary exams along the way in the name of aiming for your bachelors degree, and all this in vain?all this does not matter? why did you not get yourself weeded if it did not matter? Now listen, whether you like it or not, this oppression will continue, the very racism you read and heard, which you have now tasted will go on for a while, and you know what? the only safe place from all these evils is home. Dudes I have been to all these countries, if you arent getting the respect you deserve and the salary you need, not minimum wage like anyone else, and if you arent wearing a suit and and tie, (not black and white or industrial boots) and dont work in an office and your qualification is not recognised(not NVQ ofcouse) then consider yourself a loser who must go home, fotseki go home, Malawi needs you to develop. My advice, save money from your **** job, apply for a place at UNIMA, do some bachelors, even it means a second one, you know you cant do masters abroad, it is impossible unless your rich dad is monitoring your every move and checking your uni. scripts after they have been certified Authentic ,in case you use your laptop to have them doctored. Dont fool yourself that you are saving to buy a house. What house? How many months will it take you to raise MK3million for a decent house? Be real, go home, all of you.

abre les ojos · Guru

Don't you just love reading stuff like this?

You know what anita. It really is easy to rant about this. It is easy to say "go back home" but the truth is, If we all went back home, tell me what the hell would we do when we get there? If you can tell me one single thing that I personally would do, that pays me a decent salary and gives me a better life than the one I have here. To afford holidays around the world, consumer products, decent medical care, clothes, comfort etc then I'll gladly return.

Let's not decieve ourselves. Doing odd jobs here is sure better than being a street vendor or minibus driver in Malawi.

There are no jobs in Malawi. None. The unemployment level is rising... Having a degree in Malawi doesn't ensure you'll have a worthy job at all...

We who live abroad know that... And we don't decieve ourselves that we have some altruistic motive to go and improve Malawi - That's pure fantasy.

Dzimveremuntolo · Newbie

Uku ndiye amati kulalata! Though new to the forum, I would like to comment on Anita's scathing attack on matchona.

I am one of the people who have spent sometime observing what some matchonas are doing in the developed world. It is interesting to note that there are indeed some malawians who have "taken an oath" not to return to MW because they feel that they cannot get better paying jobs than what they are doing be it packing sausages or caring for the elderly. As human beings, this is their means to survive. Every human being will make decisions based on their experiences. However, experience, it would seem a very diffcult route and certainly counterproductive bearing in mind that as you grow older, it would be impractical to run around as you do when you're younger. If people would like to spend the rest of their lives doing odd jobs, then let them take that route although there could be serious trade-offs. Again be reminded that you are not even entitled to state pension!! No offence intended but a majority of chaps in this category are the ones who are MSCE or JCE holders who think they would be worse off back home and cannot take chances of going back home. This is the lot which is on the move up and down the breadth and length of these countries, splashing their hard-earned cash on parties and fun.

The other category are those who have short-term goals to achieve while they are in the developed. This is the lot which include doctors and other graduates who would like to organise themselves by say, saving up so that when they get back home, they should have somewhere to start from before they can rejoin their colleagues in moving MW forward. In my opinion this category should be encouraged to come back home because we seriously need their skills back home. Even if means starting their own enterprises with the savings they are trying to make. Let's face it, if there are no jobs, remember that there are opportunities to create jobs!! Malawians should start thinking beyond some financial controller signing their pay cheques!! You can be your own boss one day as long as you believe in yourself and can get down and get your hands dirty.

Take an example of people of indian origin. They are also labouring day and night but these people are cleverer than the Malawian lot. They repartriate each and every pound/dolar they earn and certainly that money is helping to strengthen their foreign reserves which in turn is strengthening their economy. There are thousands of Malawians and if each Malawian would say put 100 pounds/ dollar equivalnet, in forex account back home, would we be talking of a weak kwacha? That would be a big contribution!! And do you see indians partying every weekend in these countries? I doubt it!!

Let us encourage Malawians who are thinking of coming back sooner than later that they are thinking positive of Malawi. Look at the vast stretch of unspoiled Lake MW. Opportunities, opportunities! the list is endless. Do not be afraid to try!!

My advice is if you cannot afford to increase your knowledge and skils by studying, then you cannot afford to waste the little money that you sweat for. Kwanu Nkwanu. Dzimveremuntolo!!

abre les ojos · Guru

Well, I guess there's nothing more to say in respect to this topic. I think you've played the devil's advocate brilliantly...

skillzmanifest · Senior Member

Firstly, I agree with each and every point you raised and admire the incisiveness in your writings. The categories set in place certainly do encompass various causes. And I think, in future discussions on this issue, we should hold those observations with due consideration.

Ngwazi · Guru

anita wrote:

Hey, wait a minute, do you know what the problem is? well first of all, all of you good for nothing, less intelligent fools who believe you can not do anything in MW and that Africa is doomed, and that getting a permanent stay in UK or US guarantees your happiness, you need to get real and open your f***** eyes and realise its time for all of you to go home. Malawi need soldiers,teachers, nurses, lawyers, doctors, the list is endless. What in the devils name are all these graduates from whatever uni. doing in nursing homes in UK or US. God forbid you fools need to open your f***** eyes. Well what about doing the same **** job that any mbuzi who did not pass form 2 exams is doing eh? what do you think people say behind your back? It does not matter? well you know it matters and maybe that is why you were spending sleepless nights at secondary school while others were sleeping, having sex or masturbating. Why you were busy studying complex courses,(calculus,solid mechanics,soil science,biochemistry, etc) and wrote supplementary exams along the way in the name of aiming for your bachelors degree, and all this in vain?all this does not matter? why did you not get yourself weeded if it did not matter?

Anita,

unfortunately for you,happiness is intangible and inseperable to the person.I believe the reasons we all go to school or rather the reason our parents send us to school from a young age is that in future we should be able to fend for ourselves,we should be happy,its like teaching someone how to fish so that the person can then fend for themselves forever rather than giving them fish everyday.I remember when I was young my mum used to point to the refuse collectors(timati swallows in Zomba then!)everytime I did not want to go to school,she used to remind me that thats the job that awaits failures in life,and that did the trick,I was up and running to school everyday because I did not want to end up like them.I wanted to be happy because these guys were doing the job out of desperation.Now,it does not matter where you ply your trade,what matters is your happiness and your happiness alone,thats it.

What are you going to say to Unima lectures and support staff who are going on strike starting from tomorrow?R U going to tell them to shut up and be grateful that they have jobs?Dont forget that these are the people who teach those subjects you talked about,remember calculus,soil science,solid mechanics,remember them?yeah!these are the guys that teach those hard subjects and how much do they get in a month?For starters,a new lecture gets MK28000(£125 in Queens Money,$187 in Clintons money!),a full Professor,yes those whose names start with Dr gets MK51000(£247 in Queens money!) and the average take home pay here in the UK for those low pay jobs is £700,now tell me who is happy!Job satisfaction and happiness go together,you can not go on strike if you have job satisfaction.You have to remember that not everyone who lives here in the UK or the US does useless jobs,you will be surprised to learn and discover that most people are doing the same jobs they would have done in Malawi only for better pay,pay reflects what you do in these countries.Most lectures cannot even to lead a decent life,talk about patriotism!.

Now if I am going to be called a coward and unpatriotic for deciding to live outside Malawi for the time being then let it be but my happiness and that of my family comes first,I have sen people crying and wishing they never went back to Malawi just because their expectations and reality on the ground never seemed to be converging anywhere,remember if you have a poor father,thats destiny;but if you have a poor father in law,that is your mistake,that is your choice and we all have choices to make about our future,I have qualifications that can get me a good job back in Malawi but for peanuts and I wont be happy,I made the choice that I will stay here and be happy,no one can tell me that my choice is wrong because we dont have the same problems,we are different and we will always be like that.

CHIDIKHODIKHO · Newbie

abre les ojos wrote:

Don't you just love reading stuff like this? You know what anita. It really is easy to rant about this. It is easy to say "go back home" but the truth is, If we all went back home, tell me what the hell would we do when we get there? If you can tell me one single thing that I personally would do, that pays me a decent salary and gives me a better life than the one I have here. To afford holidays around the world, consumer products, decent medical care, clothes, comfort etc then I'll gladly return. Let's not decieve ourselves. Doing odd jobs here is sure better than being a street vendor or minibus driver in Malawi. There are no jobs in Malawi. None. The unemployment level is rising... Having a degree in Malawi doesn't ensure you'll have a worthy job at all... We who live abroad know that... And we don't decieve ourselves that we have some altruistic motive to go and improve Malawi - That's pure fantasy.

I want to agree with Anita. I dont have to write a book here about her opinion but I think the issue of jobs, buying electronic stuff, cars and the like yes depends where you are. I think my own observation about majority of you who have condemned your motherland and opt for the Azungu land is because you lack patience. You are the type of people who want to graduate today six months down the line you want to be called General Manager that is impossible. Success even where you are is process which requires devotion, committment,enduarance,patience the list goes on. I know those graduates who said Malawi ndi manyi therefore let us trek elsewhere but what are they doing now you know the type of jobs they are doing there but their friends whom they left behind where are we now? We are in managerial positions reason tinadekha kuti tiwone chinatsitsa dzaye kuti njobvu igwetse ny'anga so dont rush to condemn Malawi. Umphawi ndi umphawi basi whether you experience it there or here in Malawi but the underlying fact is poverty brings misery in life.

-- Edited by CHIDIKHODIKHO at 14:24, 2006-01-16

Ngwazi · Guru

CHIDIKHODIKHO wrote:

I think my own observation about majority of you who have condemned your motherland and opt for the Azungu land is because you lack patience. You are the type of people who want to graduate today six months down the line you want to be called General Manager that is impossible. Success even where you are is process which requires devotion, committment,enduarance,patience the list goes on. I know those graduates who said Malawi ndi manyi therefore let us trek elsewhere but what are they doing now you know the type of jobs they are doing there but their friends whom they left behind where are we now? We are in managerial positions reason tinadekha kuti tiwone chinatsitsa dzaye kuti njobvu igwetse ny'anga so dont rush to condemn Malawi.

Chidikhodikho,

We all have different expectations and aspirations and that is why you are there and we are here.Just because today you are a manager does not necessarily mean that everyone who you knew would have been a manager as well.Life treats each one of us differently,productivity at the workplace counts when it comes to some decisions.But because we have different aspirations,others opt to follow their dreams and achieve what they aspire to in short time whilst some will wait for the dream to achieve itself.Its not being impatient to follow your dream and achieve it,every person is entitled to happiness butthat happiness only comes when you are satisfied with what you have got and not what you dream of getting.

Success in life is not only measured by what qualifications you have got but what type of lifestyle you have as well.Now,if 5 years after coming out of Chancol or Poly you cant still buy a brand new item whether a Tv or cooker with your own money then you need to re-evalutate your life.Success indeed requires devotion and commitment but no longer patience,thats gone with our parents generation.Why should you be patient and wait for your promotion when you are pretty aware that such thing will only come if you are related to a high ranking government official,when you are aware that unless your father has serious connections,you will end up being moved from department to department without rising in ranks only a small increase in your pay just because it is the norm that every year the company raises salaries?IF you have friends at the Reserve Bank in Lilongwe go and ask them how many people have been promoted from C1/D1 grade in the last 3 years or just ask them how many graduates are on these grades and what are the prospects of promotion or further training,I know what I am talking about.

Let me also say that when a person who follows his dream and decides to leave his homeland for greener pastures,that person is prepared for what ever might befall him.The type of work in these parts is of no concern because we all know what to expect unlike in Malawi where everyone is expected to do a 7 to 5 job wearing a suit failing which you are called a failure.In pursuit of a dream,nothing stands between a determined man and the realisation of his dream so dont talk about what type of jobs we do over here.You will also be surprised that the lucky ones are still doing similar jobs as the ones they were doing back in Malawi only that this time the pay is better.

I agree with you that poverty brings misery in life and its even worse when you dont have the means to pull yourself out of that poverty like most people in Malawi,its very different in these parts,you have a choice as to whether you want to be an achiever or you want to be poor,a choice that most people back in Malawi unfortunately dont have.