WHO IS ABRES ? AND WHAT A GAME!

NYASALAND · Senior Member

WHO IS ABRES ? AND WHAT A GAME!

abre les ojos · Guru

Hey, hey, hey.

Don't you get it. I don't want to go back to Malawi. I don't. I have the right to say that. from personal experience I think I can conclude that Malawi is a dump. You might see it differently, you might have a different experience but since we are products of our own personal experiences, mine have brought me to the comclusion that I have today. I never would think about going back for anything at all. Simple.

Patriotism, as a wise man once said, is the last resort of a scoundrel. I think it is the first...

Good for you if you live there, make the most of it. I live in England and I'm making the most of it too.

NCHEWA · Newbie

I could not help but make a comment on this one. I have been reading the comments that are being posted about Malawi and about some members of this group that live abroad. I want to say that I am as Malawian as nsima, and as African as you can possibly imagine. I am proud of my heritage. I however am realistic about the poverty, the misery of our culture and society. I also want to make a comment in defence of Malawians and Africans who have opted to live outside the continent. Last posting you mentioned the white man as the perpetrator of evil against Malawians. Most of it for his economic benefit, for example slavery, and colonialism and today the I.M.F. and the World Bank. I want to say though I live in Malawi, the reality of Africans persecuting africans is the main problem I have. I think Africans were also part of the conspiracy to capture slaves and sell them to the white man, then it became a racial and powere issue. Looking at the landscape and the thick dense forests of Africa that still exist today, one should not conclude that white men came without a black navigator to lead them where the weaker Black man was and chain him to slavery. The same applies to colonialism the ethnic wars that still are prevalent in Africa, white men or whoever is shrewd capitalize on the greed of our leaders gives them guns and let them kill other blacks to get whatWhat about non-patriotic African leaders who own large amounts of money is forein banks instead of having a modest live than abuse the money that is public for personal gain.?

In addtion to this Malawi as a country is either poor in resources to get up from the colonial mess up or poor in human resources. If you look at the brain drain and the Diaspora of Malawians it is usually people who are politically persecuted or are exhasted with living a very challenging economy. Let suppose all the Malawians who are doctors and whatever, or those e doing odd jobs returned to Malawi and say wanted to apply the knowledge that they learnt and set up a different approach of living. I am sure it is us natives who will be number one to say "akufuna akhale ngati ndani". Kuno ndi ku Malawi. So in the end you have people studying epidemics in a British University and they qualify to be good doctors while we dont have any. The end up, helping non- Malawians have a better life, while we here are dying by the truck loads. That is why may be some people would rather stay in the technologically advanced continents and countries because some African countries are a head of Malawi, for example Botswana and South Africa. I am an African.

firstbendman · Senior Member

Let me practice what I preach. I nod appeal the response of Abre, Nchewa, Black Panther and Skillzmanifest and others to the 'concerns' brought by Nyasaland and the gang (KKCK, Guevara and Chidikhodikho). I could not say better myself.

Its always you pple in Warms heart of Africa who has issues will with pple who immigrated to Azunguland. Your hearts and tones are filled with anger, hate, revulsion, abhorrence, repugnance - the list goes on and on. All directed to a wrong group of pple.

A lot have already been said, why pple immigrated, but one of the things which forced me out of motherland was umbava. Yes, akuba. One day, you Nyasaland and the gang will disappear on this forum, because mbava will get that computer. Sooner or later.

I laugh when pple say we're not being patriotic. Dont confuse being anti patriotic and chilungamo. Things are not promising kumudziko. As long as you dont vote out old recycled politians, you gonna sail in rough waters for a long time (or should I say forever). And am saying 'you' not 'we' because am out. I came here 11 years ago, got married to my fat white woman, get my nginjo and am good. I thought Bingu was Moses, but hell no. He is just one of them (Gwandas, Muluzis, JTs) in different ascent.

And I know there is hope for Malawi, because it has always been there. You have beautiful lakes, rivers, mountains, game parks. You just have to know how to use them. Learn from your friends from Egypt, SA or even Kenya and Tanzania. I agree with Bob Marley when he said 'In abundance of water a fool die of thirsty.' Its high time you should learn to stand on your own or that should be your goal. You have misused my tax money for along time -The donations and grants you get from Azunguland.

Stop hating, because you made your choice and we made ours. And if you found two pple bitching thats their choice (anamva kukoma). Its not the choice of every malawian living in Azunguland. I wouldnt say, because I saw couple Prostitute at Ryalls then everybody in Malawi ndi hule.

And working for my money its not kubvutika or slavery. This is how things are supposed to be. You have to work to earn a living. Kuzolowela katangale. If this is slavery, then you guys are the most abused slaves on this planet. Slaves of a poor master. (Will squeeze out the maximum profit from your ass). Am here and I will die here. Land of equal opportunity.

sibweni · Senior Member

Mr Nyasaland

are you serious that you do appreciate aluya?

that malawi is poverty ridden is not true are you serious? the last man in denial as you is comrade mugabe who up to now cant accept that his people are dying of hunger.

well if its so then all of us who has migrated to th west are visionless scumbags who cant trully imagine state of poverty back home which really dont think most us agree with you. do you think all the talk of malawi being the poorest country in the world apart from war stricken two is not true yet we`ve never been to one since kamuzu`s arrest in 50`s. do you remember that in 1964 malawi and china were in the same level of poverty? you tell me where they are now. akumuuza mzungu nzeru still all universities in england are loaded with chinese students sponsored by their government why they they are loaded they have the dough to invest without in anybody with capability withot nepotism or favouratism. what about malawians on state scholarships? hell knows why we just poor and all we can do with is only two malawian pharmacists in civil service when UN scholarships comes its its the incapable one who spread her legs open or chidzukulu cha abwana. we`ve seen it nyasa thus why we knew kuti chathu palibe lets move somewhere where one appreciates carer.roadsweeper.guards,nurse,radiographer,doctors,labours where it doesnt matter who you are as long as youdo the job you are safe.

as for aluya i gat no sympathy for them remember slavery azigogo a enafe anaduwisidwa ndi mulozi kukaronga for a starter. they are the worst na bora mzunguyu. how many third world citizens migrate to the east? if i recall its athlets from kenya and ethiopia otherwise jacko other rich dudes who can afford to buy country from man made island of the world in dubai.

do they donate anything to africa? you tell me.unless you convert to chisilamu and agree to die premature death after enjoying roasted lamb meat kuaetedwa ndevu as a signature of your stupidity.

i lost respect for them when i realised that all they are after is islamising the word which am not ready to and will never be one of them

abre les ojos · Guru

Wow wow time out Sibweni!

Although I agree with some of the points you stress I have to challenge you on your last sentence.

One of THE most repeated lies of the past few years (particularly after 9/11) is the one that Islam is trying to convert the world. That shows a total ignorance of the religion itself.

Yes there is a new strand of politicised Islam but in a world that has probably more Muslims than christians I guess I can deduce that it's not the majority.

The parts of the world that have this strain of violent Islam just so happen to be the ones that America and Israel have issues with. Islam is the crutch on which they base their resistance. Trust me Christianity has gone through that phase time and time again in history.

You don't say nothing about all those crooked evangelists on TV who say that they are out to "convert" the world to Jesus. Why not? Because you're biased towards christianity.

Have you ever had a group of Muslims knocking at your door at 10 in the morning trying to convert you to Islam?

I rest my case.

sibweni · Senior Member

christians and muslims are all one abre. yes i might be ignorant about muslims but i wont agree with you that they are innocent. they are guilty to me until proved otherwise.

am not biased towards christians, yes they dont go around knocking on pples doors but that doesnt prove them innocent either they that kachetete ever seen their leaflets bet you have. the vile ones. man they dont allow you to look at the face of the bird you want to marry.

you cant pull muslim bird otherwise she dies. to them non muslims are( kaffir) dirt. they believe in death man. they lie that if you die fighting God will reward you with 70 virgin in heaven is that true? whose God say go kill yourself you will pull loads of birds even if you are ugly as sibweni.

i have never been to a pure islamic state but i understand in iran,pakstan.... you cant booze,you cant buy nyodex, no weed otherwise stone you to death or cut off your willy now thus nonsense some of us cant live without atleast two of that s**t. you know booze up get stoned no stress..etc

as long as dubya remains a born again and being accepted as one i gat no respect for christians either only my God

game · Guru

nyasaland

i can sense an element of desperation,frustration jelousy and envy at the fact that your small brains cannot think of the means to get yourself out the bottomless poverty that you are in.thats why you direct your anger at the people who have made it out of that poverty minefield.

i left malawi because am allergic to poverty and cant stand the sight of little malnutrition kids with their mouths covered with flies when someone is diverting government money to personal accounts.the other reason i left malawi was that it did not provide me with the material opportunities for using my talents,to steadily improve my life.selfishness is the deep seated unease amongst our politictians,always expecting the worst in each other.this blurrs their vision for a better malawi.

to me nyasaland,you sound like a young democrat who terrorise your boss's political oppornents just to have your bread buttered,you are so naive man,you cant see that the poor are getting poorer while the rich are getting richer,and the established processes of foreign aid and development planning appear to be unable to overcome this tendency.in fact,they often seem to promote it,for it is always easier to help those who help themselves than to help the helpless.

abre les ojos · Guru

Sibweni I think you're being led by all that anti-muslim, post 9/11 propaganda that has been coming out of the US and most other western countries over the last few years.

As for what Islamic countries ban and allow. Isn't that entirely up to them Don't they have they right to do so. I mean drugs are banned all over the world aren't they? The only reason why alcohol isn't is only an economical one. They even tried to ban it in America and look where it got them.

Still christianity has an even worse record of violence. Let's not forget it's bloody history. One of the main reasons for this politicised version of violent Islam is Palestine and Israel. A problem created by the west.

Lets' not forget the west supported and helped create this radicalism as a force to counteract the secular PLO as a credible political force to challenge Zionism. And also supported and helped create this so-called al-quaeda to fight soviet interference in Afghanistan.

In a world of as many muslims as christians, if Islam was that radical they won't be any of us left.

NYASALAND · Senior Member

I quote a quote within a quote with Londons Radical Cleric Abu Hamza " Muslims in this country are living like animals and living in a tiolet". He is being persecuted for the truth of nature. " There is no drop of liquid loved by Allah more than the liquid of blood".

abre les ojos · Guru

NYASALAND wrote:

I quote a quote within a quote with Londons Radical Cleric Abu Hamza " Muslims in this country are living like animals and living in a tiolet". He is being persecuted for the truth of nature. " There is no drop of liquid loved by Allah more than the liquid of blood".

He's a radical. And those are his views. Although I believe it's wrong to procecute someone for them, that's the state of western politics today. It seems post 9/11 the west is using all excuses to stiffle dissent. America is slowly decending into a new kind of neo-fascism.

What's is your point really...

sibweni · Senior Member

abre do you want me to say yes islam is safe,its cool? no its post 911 fever, its not about israel vs palestine.

yes if you talk about afghan fighters yes they have been supported the west. yes they did but why? it all goes back to the creation of the agency. the west will tell us about cold war, that they wanted to deal with the soviets but thus a lie. we know it was about opium farms thus why up to now the british and us army is still guarding opium farms but they will always say they are hunting one osama.its not about islam the war is for more. but the issue am talking here is islam as a religion.

abre would you enlight us on the originallity of islam isnt it about isaac and ishmael. isnt about the one who left the land with his mother and went to the hills otherwise today known as goran heights and called his offsprings arabs who hated the jews that when they knew that christianity is about a jew called Jesus they couldnt accept so they had to accept the teachings of muhamad which some of us find to be vile as anything else.

ofcourse the west will capitalise on loophole on the teachings to justify their actions. its all about the war propaganda. alot of s**t is said during the course of war thing like telling enemy soldiers wifes are being laid by their bosses or their sonsor are going lesbo.

my point is the teaching are the one which is wrong as some say you dont hate the players you hate the game.some islamic teachings have been wrong longtime before osama he is just a player. he is combining very dangerous ideologies,dogma and methodiology. just imagine islam plus cia to the extreme.

it used to be crusaders now its extremities.game yasintha abre like it used to be the kopites to united to chelski but we cant just say yes to anything but you we have to be carefull with some of these things. they are playing a different type of game osama and bush are opposing holding midfielders. see?

abre les ojos · Guru

Sibweni

You might the right intentions but you have single-handedly or better still selectively revised the real history behind religious faith.

The truth is - and this is based on history. There is no evidence for Issac & Ishamael or whoever as the originators of this conflict between Christianity and Islam. That's based on myth. Same as Moses or Abraham. These are Jewish traditional figures that may or may never had existed. Unfortunately, the west adopted Christianity as its main religion so the story we all get is biased to wards the Christian view point.

The Osama Bin Laden version has been exaggerated to the extreme by western propaganda to justify all kinds of aggression to wards the Muslim countries - that just so happen to be sitting on the oil we need to fuel our cars and industries. Too bad huh?

It shocks me to hear people still using the excuse of the bible to justify the Jews taking over Palestinian land. Let's start by tackling that then we'll understand why Muslims feel they have to use all necessary force to fight all those that back Israel i.e. the US.

guevara · Senior Member

bendman wrote'working for my money its not kubvutika or slavery. This is how things are supposed to be. You have to work to earn a living. Kuzolowela katangale. If this is slavery, then you guys are the most abused slaves on this planet. Slaves of a poor master. (Will squeeze out the maximum profit from your ass). Am here and I will die here. Land of equal opportunity.'

Be true to yourself!there is nothing like 'land of equal opportunity.'

sibweni · Senior Member

abre! ofcourse religion is history. jesus,muhamad (pbuh),abraham.... all lived long time. if you read me properly i havent said anything about christians. i choose to reain silent on that issue.

but still i remain convienced that conflicts between arabs and jews are dated back to the time ishmawl and isaac. judeism and christianity are jew based doctrines, myth,ideaology tradition.... islam is pure arab.

arabs and jews believe their father figure is abraham from their they go into differen directions right? arabs will tell you about ishmael (islam) and waters of zamzam to muhamad but still believe the prophets of the time christians will tell you of isaac to the miracle sacrifice ....jesus

abre for sure thus just basic understandingthere some who know more than i knw but they will agree with that.

abre les ojos · Guru

That's what I'm trying to tell you. It was the ideological conflict of thse two religions that brought about the myth not the other way round.

What I mean is that Christianity and Islam were going on there merry way till politics brought them into conflict. The myth of Ishmael and Isaac was created to try to explain it.

Like every other religious myth its has very bogus roots.