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What came first ?
The Chicken or the egg ?


 


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Lady B wrote:


What came first ? The Chicken or the egg ?   *Kiss*

Oh please don't start...

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oh come on sweets , there is too much tension here , we need a break
ans the question

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Do you want the scientific, philosophical or christian answer?

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Not really bothered

bring it on what ever

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A religious one- christianity based - would have to be the CHICKEN.


A Scintific, would probably be chicken too right ?


A philosophical one has no solution it will gon on forever.



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i definately want to agree with you,but try to look at it this way.


chicken lays the egg,not all the time the egg hatches,sometime its done for breakfast,so the answer is the chicken.



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I THINK THE EGG CAME FIRST!

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I f the egg came first how,without a chicken


The chicken came first



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people


 


please stop acting like you keep your brains in your pockets,the only way for reproduction to take place in living things is by joint efforts between male and female,god did not create an egg and told it to go and procreate,he created man and any living thing male and female.unless if in the beginning there was a male egg and a female egg.



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people   please stop acting like you keep your brains in your pockets,the only way for reproduction to take place in living things is by joint efforts between male and female,god did not create an egg and told it to go and procreate,he created man and any living thing male and female.unless if in the beginning there was a male egg and a female egg.


 


TRUE TRUE TRUE  GAME


i a gree with you but then here is what i think . I would say  THE EGG DID COME FIRST! but for another reason. 
The egg came before the chicken, but only in the literal sense of the question. The nature of the question presents a paradox, but the wording makes it answerable.

All creatures we see presently are evolvations of different, ancient things. They evolved small changes at a time. When a "litter" if you will (for lack of a better word) of offspring were born, none were entirely identical to the parents, and some had differences in genetic structure, creating defects, or effects of a positive nature. If one was born with a negative defect, chances were that it died because of incapacity to escape predators, while the stronger and faster (possibly due to genetic evolving) survived, creating more offspring with that positive trait.
The chicken as we know it has evolved from another type of animal (what, i'm not entirely sure) and the first one born that would be classified as a chicken was born of parents that were not classified so. Ergo, the first chicken came from an egg of a non-chicken, and the egg came before the chicken.

Birds evolved from reptiles, therefore reptiles started laying eggs before chickens existed. What we now know to be the chicken, therefore (and it depends on where we determine the chicken species to be distinct from its predecessors) must have been born in egg, as no chicken could have possibly existed without being born in a egg first (i.e. birds have never given birth to their offspring live, always from an egg, a characterisitc they inherited from their reptile ancestors).

But, then you ask, how did the egg get to be there without a chicken laying it? The answer is (relatively) simple. While it's not quite this simple in reality, there was a point in the course of a single generation that the species "chicken" appeared. In other words, I'm assuming that one specimen arrived before all others in a solitary instance, then went on to pass on his/her genetic make-up on to his offspring. So, the important thing is to determine exactly at what point the chicken species seperated on the evolutionary tree from its ancestors.

Chickens, like all other living beings, have a certain genetic make up, distinct from all other species. So, the point at which the chicken became distinct from its evolutionary ancestors is the point at which this sole specimen, as I alluded to before, would be capable of breeding with what we now know to be a "chicken" (by reading its genetic make-up and what not). Now, chickens are presumably evolving at the moment (as Darwin's theory state's, all animals are transistional) so the point at which we can say that prehistoric chickens are capable of breeding with what we have as a modern definition of a "chicken" is changing all the time as the genetic makeup of the modern chicken becomes immessurably, but none the less, undeniably different.

So, as the point at which chickens became genetically distinct from their old species is where we can say that they are capable of breeding with modern chickens, we can say that there is one generation of chickens capable of doing this, whereas their predecessors could not. Similarly, out of this generation, we can assume that there was one chicken before all others capable of breeding with modern chickens. This single chicken undeniably came out of an egg, as no bird has ever given birth to offspring in any other fashion than by egg.

Thus, the first chicken was preceeded by his own egg, and the egg came before the chicken. The egg came from a bird of a similar genetic makeup to the first chicken, but was different in the fact that it would be incapable of breeding with modern chickens.

So the egg came before the chicken, that egg came from a chicken like bird, though not a bird that we could strictly call, by literal modern definitions, a chicken.


make sense ?? 


 


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Whoa Lady B!!! That has to be the longest piece of writing I've ever seen on the subject. No offence...



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For someone who arugued in favour of creation, you seem to be veering towards the scientific explanation of things. I never thought I'd hear you use the word evolution.

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Well sweets , we all have our moments


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Apologies for reviving this subject if you all needed it to rest. Chicken is not a subject that most natural scientistis would find intriguing. If one day someone bred chicken that were vicious, able to kill both man and other animals with one peck or one kick, some scientist will come up with some 1 million year old egg shell studies of which will give a definate answer of what came first. Egg or chicken.

For now, as long as chicken is synonymous with weakness, we will still have no answer.

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