Science finds out how nature operates and then gives names to new issues and phenomena. Science specifies new natural laws through experimental work and using chains of evidence. Earlier proven issues and methods are always used as the primary evidence for new ones, because effects cannot exist without causes. If we have the courage to pursue this chain of evidence to the very end and meet the original cause then we will always end up with God, i.e. we will find the primary reason, which has no cause. Atheists try to wriggle out from this logical problem by inventing some name for this primary reason, such as the Big Bang.
All matter, energy, life and spirit was compressed into a space smaller than a pinhead 14 billion years ago, according to the current official scientific conception. Scientific facts may, however, change because we still know less than one percent of the existing natural laws and matters. Today we know at least 100 times more scientific facts and data than some 100 years ago and this trend will continue at the exponential speed. However, our wisdom does not increase at the same rate if we do not have the courage to re-evaluate the old scientific and religious assumptions. Science changes and improves our understanding of the universe all the time, however, we will always find God at the final end of every scientific footpath, now and forever.
Beauty, wisdom, justice, love and faith cannot be measured with a gauge nor with any physical or chemical instrument. They do not react with matter or energy but they still are as real as granite, because the human spirit makes them visible. Consequently, we are pure spiritual beings, who have temporarily been locked into our bodies. We may notice this spirit when we meet our friend’s eyes and listen to his opinions; it is not the voice of the material.
so learn that
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But science is not trying to replace religion. That is the moan from religions because they know their hegemony is being challenged and their lack of credibility is growing larger.
On the other hand it's philosophy that is challenging religion. Using its superior analytical evidence, helped by scientific discovery, shows religion for what it is, superstition playing on ignorance to pass off as truth.
As for your last paragraph about beauty, love etc. Whether they can be measured or not is besides the point. They still are, if you look closely, a result of biochemical reactions in the body, translating outer stimuli and producing internal emotions etc.
I should correct you about the Big Bang theory; or better still read about it yourself...
Abre , please correct me about the big bang theory or better yet explain to me am willing to learn i might have mis understood it
Science does not speak out about the questions that are of fundamental importance for the human spirit, namely, right and wrong. Religion finds the answers to these questions. Real science bravely finds out which material issues are true and which are false. Using science, we may improve the welfare of our bodies. Real religion finds out the spiritual issues which are true and which make our soul happy. These positive effects may be used to identify true science and true religion from the false and the fake. With real and honest information, we can fight against the cults and mind control groups, which hypnotize our children and offer only temporal relief by removing the own free will of the followers.
A false religion, philosophy or science guides humans and their neighbors to the desperation of suicide and to economical and ethical bankruptcy. Whereas the real religion and science helps humans to face and solve their daily problems. This day, the one we are living right now, is always the most important stage for us, because it is the only occasion where we can make changes and improvements. Real science and religion support each other. The misleading disagreement always arises from false scientific or religious assumptions and interpretations. However, in the long run renewable and dynamic science and religion will meet in agreement.
Our life and world has been designed exactly and accurately just like this, so that we can make a free choice between faith and atheism. We could not make this free choice if we could prove the existence of God or some higher force using some scientific procedure. Mercy, justice, love, the flowers in the meadow, the atom or the whole universe are all valid evidence of God for the Hindu or Catholic but the atheist may look at the world from a different perspective. The final proofs are "I am" and "You are" for the religious human, but the atheist has the full right to believe in accidents, luck and fate.
Atheism and skepticism need much more blind faith than faith in Jesus does, because science cannot prove that God does not exist. A Lutheran, Orthodox, Moslem or Jew can be absolutely sure of God, because they do not base their faith on scientific evidence but instead on the God’s Adjuster which lives in our minds. This tiny fraction of God makes our survival possible and wakes up our religiousness.
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Let's start by saying that right and wrong are not the remit of science. Science is only trying to explain the processes of nature. The "whys and hows". Everything else is left to philosophy and religion to give it form and arguments about spirits and humanity and all that stuff.
Where you get it the other way round is that THESE are the fundamentals. Religion and every other societal construct comes after. And what on earth do you mean about "real" religion.
The problem is that we today have completely repackaged christianity. It has gone through several retrospective changes to suit the modern worlds new age moralities. This was the same case when it was translated hundred of years ago and it continues. How else could it survive?
You need to understant the HISTORIC reality of Christianity. That bible didn't just fall out of the sky you know. It has passed through several alterations, rewrites, edits etc to suit a certain editorial dogmaticism provided by the church and politics.
If you ever studied biblical "history" you'll find a lot of stuff in it laughable to say the least. But I can't tell you that unless you so it yourself.
You know I think you are prepared to wallow in you dogmatic beliefs of God; good and evil and all that stuff about atheists having poor judgements in relation to reality and I never thought I'd say this but you know, if it makes you happy to live in blissful ignorance, then who am I to challenge you?
I am simply practical and practicality is the enemy of faith and consequently religion and superstition....
Am glad , now we getting somewhere , you see abre i belive that
We need courage to find the scientific or religious truth. The truth is difficult to find if we do not have the courage to study and explore all the information sources, taboos and even sources which have been branded as suspect. The truth does not depend at all on the information source, author or ism; the truth is based purely on verified scientific and spiritual facts. We should also listen to the voice of our own sense and conscience, which is the main reason we have them.
of course the Bible didnt fall from the sky i know that but then we may find a lot of truth from Bible as well as the Koran and also from the Urantia Book, which gives a logical explanation of why we are here, where we come from and where we are going. Our world and language are changing all the time; we do not need to persist with thousand-year-old assumptions and interpretations in science and religion. We have enough old rituals, holy icons and empty phrases. Instead, we deserve dynamic and living science, faith and religion, which really affect on our decisions, selections and activities in our daily life.
Come to think about Philosophy and Ethics dont you think they solve similar issues as religion; however, many conclusions may be different due to the different basic assumptions. Materialistic philosophy assumes that we live only some 80 years but religious philosophy conclusions are based on the idea of eternal life. This gives a totally different perspective to our daily life. This religious perspective gives a much more logical explanation for our day-to-day hardship and struggle than a purely philosophical point of view, for example:
- We could not understand courage if we could not meet fear and disappointments. - Without pain and suffering we could not strive for pleasure and joy. - We could not find altruism and humanism if we could not face social inequality and injustice. - We could not internalize the love of truth if error and falsehood did not exist. - We could not comprehend hope and trust if insecurity, accidents and diseases were not always present. - We could not understand the justice if the greed and unequality did not exist.
We can strive for these valuable qualities only in a world like this, where we can trust only in the mercy and love of our Creator and that my friend is GOD
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Aw c'mon don't give me all that new age psyco-babble, I've read it all. I mean ALL. Al this stuff about Justice, greed. You know it might soung poetic and profound but it is common sense. Maybe you really need to understand why in nature. Big things eat little things animals kill each other callously to survive and we animals are just part of the food chain. Our superior skills have given us the advantage to act out of this chain. We still are in our instincts part of it. Things like justice, humanism and all that stuff are just complex definitions of very basic instincts i.e. survival.
Of course it takes a higher leap of faith to be an atheist. That's because ignrance is the default. It was easier for man to believe the earth was flat than provide a theory to calcutate the size of the earth or its trajectory around the sun. The world is hard to grasp. It's a pretty large and expansive place...
Abre man i aint giving you new age psyco-babble its reallility dude so live with it , all am saying to you is that God is the source and destination
Our world is changing all the time and therefore our God does not need robots but humans who can make their own wise decisions and have faith without material evidences or miracles.
Religious groups should gradually realize that WE HAVE THE SAME GOD but we just call him using different names. We are not enemies, we have the destination and we may learn a lot from each other. We should notice that the main difference is the rituals and cults, but the God is the same.
Philosophy without God is like a thermometer with an unlocked calibration point. Materialistic philosophy may offer a temporary relief and survival like a drifting buoy in the ocean but religious philosophy leads the way to eternal survival like a lighthouse on a granite base.
God brings unity and a calibration point to philosophy and ethics. Philosophy cannot attain equality between all humans without the concept of one God or Creator. Only this concept and idea can make all of us brothers and sisters with equal human rights. This is the only way to reach the light and worldwide peace. This simple concept will also lead us to serve and worship our fellowmen instead of serving holy relics and empty rituals. God does not live in fetishes but in our minds as God’s Adjuster. Therefore, the businessperson may worship God by making fair deals, the engineer by creating green processes and the artist with cheerful and entertaining production.
To science God is a cause, to philosophy a hypothesis of unity and to religion a living person. For the human being God is the source like father and mother, but he is also the destination because our soul desires for fusion with this tiny fraction of God, which lives in our minds. The human being is a dualistic creature, composed of female and male parts with equal rights. These two poles are different but equally important and they make our life fascinating and exciting because they both give us a different perspective to our world. The dissimilarity and variations are not defects but the power, which increases the richness of our life and makes us stronger.
you get the drift sweets
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Who am I to challenge age old ignorance. Maybe one day you might actually question your own beliefs... Or at least read more into the origin of them, and the origin of man (from an anthropological perspective). Unless of course it's easier to credit everything to God and move on..
But hei... It's all esoteric (atheism) and would always be..
well i guess that means that you agree now doesn't it abre man we all want to change the world into a better place for Christian, Moslem and atheist. The only way towards this target is the idea of one God and Creator, which makes us equal. Otherwise, we tend to consider our own God, philosophy, race, religion, gender and country as superior to the others. This misapprehension will always justify the oppression of your neighbor. Dont you think the world would be a better place if we didnt need barbed wire fences between different religious groups, where the verdict of the court doesn’t depend on the prosperity of the defendant.where religious rituals can’t replace the esteem of our fellow man in daily life. Where women have equal rights with men. Where the illusion of sovereignty cannot be used as an excuse to start wars and conflicts. Where we don’t have to hide our personality behind walls and pseudonyms like rats in holes. Where justice is more important issue than traditions, cults and bureaucracy.
Two thousand years ago, cowards shouted "Free Barabbas" and "Crucify Jesus". Many of us may imagine that this does not affect us, however, at the moment of "departure", each of us will face this very same personal choice.
i rest my case
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I don't agee with you the slightest but your depth into what I can only term religious based rationale for everything is unfathomable. I've given up. I man you quote the whole Barabas thing, which is more or less a fairy tale, myth. Then you are irredeemable. So I'll leave you to wallow in the propaganda that you have been believing since birth.
sciences can noy replace religion but religion can replace science. Lady B tell them . because remember that religion is not science science subject but religiuon is arts subject. Arts subject such as religion depended on science . zikomo
If you have gangerene (pardon spelling) are you going to church to cure you ?
when someone's husband do you want to here that it was Gods will or AIDS , so that ur better equipped with protecting urself and family.
Science and REeigion though, are more intertwined than we believe. Big Bang is a theory as much as the Christian theory of religion and how we are here.
Lady B, you mentions that your finding God at the end of every tunnel b/c your religion dictates that in the same way scientists are finding science at the end of evey tunnel.
I think another problem with your criticism (Lady B) is that you see science as a sort of challenge to religious hegemony. Well it isn't trying.
As BlackPanther put it science is trying to solve problem. Practical problem. Diseases etc. We KNOW disease are caused by germs; thanks to science. Whether you believe it is caused by witches or sorcerers doesn't change a thing. You'll still need to take your medication...
If science was to imitate religion by simplifying reality into belief systems then we won't have cures for diseases, technology etc.
Fortunately religious superstition is dying a natural death. It doesn't need secular folks like me to condemn its irrationality. It is doing it on its own. Don't blame science. Science is spending its time doing experiments, research, sleepless night, hard work to solve complex problems while religion is busy bleeting about God's will and devils and prophesying the end of the world and hell fire for sinners. All that nonesense...
The world is advancing and religion is pulling it back to the dark ages...