DON'T BE DECIEVED

abre les ojos · Guru

DON'T BE DECIEVED

eetchef · Senior Member

I look and vision Malawi to be in a position to look after itself and support the citizens only if Malawi work within her basic operating framework, which is fundemaentally free system from corrupt leadership. I see the only reason we damn Malawians threaten the future of our country is beacause selfish leadership of the likes of Muluzi , Bingu and Tembo has become a significantly dominant species and yet still act in total ignorance of one of the most basic operating principles of leadership ...one that is true democarcy: government of / 4 /by the people.

If it was possible for one person bringing about a great poverty in Malawi as Muluzi had recently done and Bingu trading same , then it must be possible for one leadership today bringing about a great Malawian flight from poverty and anguish as well. Honestly, Kamuzu sought to give us some pointers to fight against poverty , disease and envy but the leadership that we developed only brings painful happines especially to the youths. Malawians dont ever think or dream of tomorow, they dont ever believe in their youths prospective life, them old fagotts only think of themselves as they live. Like most of you young ladies and gentlemen , I used to hope that one day some truly inspired leadership might come along , and that somehow this leadership would get the ball rolling in the right direction and unite us all behind them with their pure inspired actions. Well, GOD knows better, we have been a nation of youths waiting in vain with our vain imaginations. Bingu has become a disgrace , and you can see that from his face. Whatever we are seeing today about this ugly old man has already been told : He has been before a celebrity within Comesa and PTA. Its pitiful , however, when do we Malawians ever going to get true leadesrhip free from betrayal of its own people?

After so many years of Muluzis betrayal , it is fully clear that Malawians are very unlucky and crazy people as we keep on electing leadership that is selfish and ugly yet we watch and see them playing us. Why do we always allow a single person to destroy the peace of the whole country? Why do we always choose wrong people to determine the specific hill route to this state of poverty? Forget debt cancellation and lets deal with this old ugly man . Where do we form here???

Black Panther · Senior Member

The one thing that i believe you miss when ur making ur point is that the Live 8 people and the Wolrd bank peopls are two different entities. It is not fair to lump people together and say the "west" is like this so "the west is doing this live 8 thing etc... etc... they are two different camps of people. If you speak in those terms i think your arguments may differ a little.

abre les ojos · Guru

YOU SEE I BELIEVE THAT THE LEADERSHIP ISSUES IN MALAWI ARE INDICATIVE OF A WIDER AFRICAN PROBLEM. STILL THE LEGACY OF COLONIALISM IS THE BASIC PROBLEM THAT WE SHOULD CONQUER BEFORE WE CAN GO ANY FURTHER.

WE KNOW THAT AFRICA WAS DIVIDED IN STATES WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRIBAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN IT'S PEOPLE. THAT HAS LEFT COMMUNITIES WHICH ARE RIFE WITH NEPOTISM, TRIBALISM AND EVERY OTHER ISM YOU CAN THINK OF. BUT THAT WAS 2 GENERATIONS AGO AND THE TIME HAS COME TO STOP ALL THIS AND FORGE A MORE FORWARD LOOKING AFRICA.

THIS IS WHERE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP HAS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. LEADERSHIP BASED ON A SOUND, FORWARD THINKING IDEOLOGY. ACCOUNTABLE TO IT'S PEOPLE.

BUT AS WE KNOW NOW, AFRICA DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED A MARKET DRIVEN DEMOCRACY TO PROSPER. FAR FROM IT. IT NEEDS THE KIND OF PROTECTIONISM, INWARD LOOKING, POSITIVE BUT PROGRESSIVE OUTLOOK. IT NEEDS A SOUND WORK ETHIC AND UNITY BETWEEN ITS PEOPLES.

AS LONG AS WE KEEP LOOKING TO THE WHITE WEST TO "SAVE US", FORGIVE US OUR DEBT, OR GIVE US AID, WE WILL NEVER , AND I MEAN NEVER MAKE IT.

ALTRUISM, NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND EVER BROUGHT A COUNTRY OUT OF POVERTY. NEVER!

WHATEVER THEY WANT US TO BELIEVE. AFRICA DOES NOT NEED ANYTHING FROM THE WEST SAVE KNOWHOW, WHICH CAN BE GOTTEN CHEAPLY FROM ASIA ANYHOW. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME PLEASE WHAT WE GAIN FROM BEING FRIENDLY TO WESTERN LEADERS THAT WE CAN'T GET BETTER IF WE LOOKED INSIDE OUR OWN BORDERS?

MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT WE NEED TO RESIST WESTERN STYLE "PROGRESS" AND DEFINE WHAT WE CALL MODERNITY FOR OURSELVES. NATIONALISM CAN EASILY BE STIRRED UP IN AFRICA. WE NEED THE PEOPLE WHO CAN DO THAT AS OUR LEADERS...

abre les ojos · Guru

IN ADDITION TO WHAT BLACK PANTHER SAID...

YOU MISUNDERSTAND ME. I KNOW THAT THEY DIFFER. MY ARGUMENT IS THAT LIVE 8 IS JUST A PATRONISING, LIBERAL GUILT LED ROCK CONCERT, THAT WOULD RAISE MONEY AND AWARENESS BUT NOTHING ELSE WILL CHANGE.

THE G8 ARE JUST ROGUES, WHO REALLY WON'T GIVE A THING IS A MILLION AFRICAN CHILDREN DIED TOMMORROW FROM WHATEVER?

NEITHER OF THEM WOULD EVEN MAKE A DROP. YOU CAN BE MOVED BY IT'S SCOPE, IT'S MASSIVE ADVERTISING BUDGETS AND GELDOF AND CO. HUBRIS INCLUDED MARCHING AROUND THE WORLD.....

WHEN SUMMER IS OVER AND THE KIDS GO BACK TO SCHOOL, ALL THIS WOULD BE FORGOTTEN AND EVERYTHING WOULD REMAIN THE SAME.

Black Panther · Senior Member

Everything may remain the same for you , for me, maybe for chiyembe down the street. But to someone this will make a difference - and they may in turn influence others - all im saying is its better then sitting down and going for your daily routine of wiping ur ass after a big meal that cost $40 at Red Lobster where u sat around and 'talked about it' awareness will mean that one person may be affected that at first wasnt ignorance is a deadly thing.

abre les ojos · Guru

REALLY/ IS IT REALLY GOING TO MAKE LIFE BETTER FOR ANY AFRICANS? REALLY?

LET'S NOT BE FOOLED BY APPARENT ALTRUISM. THIS LIVE 8 THING IS GOOD BECAUSE IT IGNORES THE REAL ISSUES BEHIND AFRICAN POVERTY. POLITICIANS LIKE IT FOR THAT REASON AND ALSO BECAUSE IT A CAUSE THE CAN CLAIM TO SUPPORT, SHAKE HANDS WITH MANDELA OR BONO AND GIVE HALF-HEARTED SLOGANS WHILE SHELL IS STILL F**KING NIGERIA, IRAQ IS STILL ON FIRE, MALARIA STILL KILLS AFRICAN CHILDREN. AND DON'T GET ME STARTED OF FARM SUBSIDIES.

YOU CAN FORGIVE A POOR UNEMPLOYED MAN HIS DEBT. BUT IF YOU DON'T LET HIM WORK HE'LL BE HUNGRY SOON ENOUGH.

LIVE 8 MY ASS IT'S ALL HUBRIS!

eetchef · Senior Member

DO WE AFRICANS EVER BELIEVE IN THE LIVE 8 REACHING THE TARGETS SPECULATED AND MEETING ITS PROMISES?

abre les ojos · Guru

OF COURSE WE DON'T.

AFRICA DOES NOT NEED AID. IT NEEDS JUSTICE. PERIOD. A MILLIONA ROCK CONCERTS ARE JUST TO SELL RECORDS. IT'S THE BEST WAY FOR THEM TO IMPROVE THEIR FLEDGING CAREERS.

ALL THIS CHANGE THE WORLD BULLSHIT IS FOR THE POLITICALLY NAIVE.

Black Panther · Senior Member

If live 8 manages to change one policy- it will reach millions. dont be fooled by abres' words - ONE. Even if it changes the life of ONE, it is a sucess- ITS BETTER TO HAVE SOMETHING THEN TO HAVE NOTHING - Abre- while u sit here and type about change and what we should be doing - someon is actually DOING IT - that is admirable - weather t is a blk ugy a white guy etc..if u dont physically go out and try and Make a difference i will never side with you. Intellectual - bourgeois folks - we like to sit and talk ideas- implementing them is another level.

abre les ojos · Guru

SO, WAIT A MINUTE... A WHOLE INTERNATIONAL, TELEVISED ROCK CONCERT TO HELP "ONE" PERSON.

YOU MISSED MY POINT. THIS IDEA OF HELPING "ONE" PERSON AND MAKING A DIFFERENCE IS WHERE THE PROBLEM LIES. THAT "IS" THE PROBLEM AS IT REDUCES THE EFFORT OF TAKING ON THE POLITICAL FORCES THAT MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT KEEP AFRICA THE WAY IT IS. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH MONEY AFRICA HAS RECIEVED IN AID SINCE 1970? CAN YOU SHOW ME THE LONG TERM BENEFITS OF THE 30 ODD ROCK CONCERTS TO SAVE AFRICA HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE?

THAT IS PRECISELY MY POINT. DON'T DECIEVE YOURSELF. AID DOES NOT WORK. IT DOESN'T! IF IT DID THEN WE WON'T HAVE TO HAVE ALL THESE SLOGANS AND TV ADVERTS OF HOW WE NEED TO BE SAVED.

I'M AFRAID WE WILL BE HAVING THIS SAME CONVERSATION IN ANOTHER 20 YEARS.

THIS IDEA OF HELPING "ONE" PERSON IS INDICATIVE OF WESTERN SHAMELESS INDIVIDUALISM. ONE PERSON MATTERING OVER THE COLLECTIVE. AFRICA HAS THE MOST COMMUNITY BASED SOCIETIES SO IT'S A LAME DUCK. LET'S FACE IT.

THESE ROCK CONCERTS ARE FOR THE WESTERN AUDIENCES TO FEEL THAT THEIR $20 DONATIONS ARE "HELPING" POOR KIDS. IT REALLY IS A SELFISH FORM OF PERSONAL CONSCIENCE ASSUAGING. WELL, THEY ARE NOT. DO WE REALLY NEED WESTERN SCHOOL KIDS TO SURVIVE? THE ANSWER IS AN EMPHATIC "NO"!

IF EVERYONE IN THE WEST GAVE THEIR ENTIRE LIFE SAVINGS TO AFRICANS IT STILL WOULD BE A SHORT TERM CHANGE.

AFRICA, IS FOR AFRICANS TO CHANGE. THE LESS INTERFERANCE IN IT'S POLITICAL TRANSFORMATION. MORE DIALOGUE AND POLITICAL/ECONOMICAL EXCHANGE OF IDEAS. NOT AID. EQUALITY OF TRADE. BUSINESS! CAPITAL AND HUMAN INVESTMENTS.

UNFORTUNATELY WHEN THEY SEE ALL THESE ADVERTS OF DYING AND STARVING CHILDREN AND OVERBLOWN AIDS STATISTICS, THE DON'T SEE AFRICA AS INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITIES BUT A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE TO RAISE CASH TO "SAVE". THAT IS WHERE THE PROBLEM OF LIVE 8 IS.

game · Guru

Abre,panther,eeetchef.

At least these people like Bob geldof are acting instead of just talking,they are fighting for a cause and because of these people some lives will be upgraded and some countries in the dark continent will benefit,they know that talk is cheap so they are doing it,why cant we do the same for our motherland.i stand to be corrected but kamlepo kalua started with 400 pound he took it to south africa bought his free air time to express his concerns for the benefit of malawians and it paid off.

panther makes sense in all her topics but what does she gain or who benefits from her good cyber speaking dont you think its time to make a change as citizens of a higher place.Abre i see fire in your eyes you are very sharp and you can cut some fresh from oppressors with your speach why not be practical there is a probability of someone somewhere getting convinced and help.eeetchef i take you as the mark anthony on the forum why not stand up and divert the moods of the suspicious public of malawi people.

we will use Ngwazis eagle eye to inform us of any opposition on the ground and Ayatollahs six figure sums for our backbone for starters,then we will definately have support on the home front which am convinced wont be a problem,when the message is scattered the old buggers will get the test of their medicin,we will give them an intellectual pinch so they feel our presence it wont take long before we have positive minded people in parliament defecting and sapporting our good cause believe me.

then frials will be scattered in all the villages from mlowe to kapoloma,by the help of my loyal leutenants who will do anything for a 1000£ which to me is not a problem only if we unite and not become slaves of our own making,failing to get out of a liberynth of our own making.let us not give Bingu an easy ride try to break him untill he gets rid of stupid old timers for new blood we dont want conservative minds who dont want change and keep hiding in a cave to preserve their purity making malawians a laughing stock.

lets not dispute dogma and doctrin i know we will make a change just trust me.

abre les ojos · Guru

I AGREE.

BUT ON THE TOPIC OF GELDOF... I'M AFRAID I DISAGREE. WHOLE-HEARTEDLY.

TAKE FOR ISTANCE HIS RESPONSE TO THE G7 DEBT-RELIEF PACKAGE. ANYONE WITH A GRASP OF DEVELOPMENT POLITICS WOULD SEE THAT THE CONDITIONS SET - ENFORCED LIBERALISATION AND PRIVATISATION - ARE AS ONEROUS AS THE DEBT IT RELIEVES. GELDOF PRAISED IT AS A VICTORY FOR MILLIONS OF WORLD POOR. IT AIN'T!

WESTERN LEADERS TALK OF AFRICA LIKE ITS PROBLEMS ARE A RESULT OF SOME NATURAL FORCE AND BAD GOVERNMENTS I.E. DICTATORS. THEY LEAVE OUT THE FACT THAT A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS WERE CAUSED BY THE NEOLIBERAL POLICIES THAT WERE FORCED ON AFRICA BY THE WORLD BANK & IMF.

BUSH, BLAIR, GELDOF AND BONO TO ME ARE SINGING FROM THE SAME SHEET. THE POLITICANS ARE USING THIS TO WIPE AWAY THEIR "IRAQ" SINS.

THE G8 MEETING IS NOT TO STOP WORLD POVERTY BUT TO SOLIDIFY THEIR HEGEMONY.

Black Panther · Senior Member

Game- I agree with u whole heartedly - the thing that i keep emphasizing to Abre- is that at least the Live is is TRYING which is more then I can say for Abre himself. Abre if u show me an ideology that u think works and actively work towards it , in ur means i would be at a better stance to support u . but to keeo knocking one side without an alternative - that u are trying to really implement ... it doesnt move me- MOVE and I will MOVE with YOU.

abre les ojos · Guru

MY POINT IS WHAT IS THE USE TRYING AT SOMETHING THAT ISN'T WORKING. OR IS A SHORT TERM FIX WHEN WE CAN MAKE GIANT LEAPS AND SORT OUT THIS PROBLEM ONCE AND FOR ALL.

I DON'T NEED TO PUT FORTH AN IDEOLOGY AND I'M SORRY TO SAY THAT I DON'T NEED TO BE MOVED WITH. JUST UNDERSTOOD.

THERE WERE NO CONCERTS TO SAVE ASIA. THEY FIGURED OUT THAT A BLEND OF THEIR ANCIENT CULTURE AND WESTERN MODERNITY WOULD DO THE TRICK. THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH DICTATORS, WAR, FAMINE NATURAL DISASTERS BUT HAVE USED THE LITTLE THEY HAVE (LOT LESS THAN AFRICA'S GOT).

GEOPOLITICALLY ASIA POSITION IS A POSITIVE THING TOO. BUT AFRICA; WITH ITS ATTACHMENTS TO THE WEST AND MIDDLE EAST CAN USE THAT ADVANTAGE.

THE ONLY THING I'M SAYING IS SIMPLE. WE NEED TO ASHAMED OF OURSELVES IN AFRICA THAT ROCK MUSICIANS ARE DOING CONCERTS TO "SAVE" US. MUSICIANS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. THE EARLIEST MAN IS FROM AFRICA. WE HAVE THE RICHEST CULTURE (AFTER INDIA). HAS COLONIALISM REALLY DESTROYED OUR PRIDE THAT MUCH.

TELL ME WHY OUR SHAMELESS LEADERS ARE NOT COMMING TOGETHER TO CHALLENGE WESTERN HEGEMONY LIKE THEY ARE DOING IN SOUTH AMERICA. INSTEAD THEY ARE BUSY BUILDING STATE HOUSES AND BUYING BENZES. IS IT STUPIDITY OR GREED OR BOTH.

THAT IS WHAT MY PROBLEM IS. I'M NOT SAYING THEY ARE WRONG FOR TRYING. I'M SAYING SINCE THE CHANGE IS NOT COMMING FROM US OR ANOTHER POLITICAL FORCE. IT WILL NOT WORK.

MARK MY WORDS...