ZIKUCHITIKADI????????

Chiki · Veteran Member

ZIKUCHITIKADI????????

Abiti Nyono · Member

What Topics? Be specific.

Chiki · Veteran Member

The two hot topics that have been the talk on the forum for the past few days - "ndizoona" started by money low & "apostle is it true" started be Game.

game · Guru

chiki

the topic about the pastor was gone when i logged in the other day,whats happening malawiana at least a warning would be nice if thats the case.i feel like my freedom of expression is being abused here without doubt,can anyone explain what the hec is going on here please?

JRC · Member

My apologies, but sometimes even webmasters have to bow down to pressure.

-- Edited by JRC at 20:46, 2005-04-22

money low · Veteran Member

quote:
Originally posted by: JRC
"My apologies, but sometimes even webmasters have to bow down to pressure."

WHOSE PRESSURE?

game · Guru

JRC

i accept your apologies but sir never sale your soul to the devil because the dividents are bitter.i expect you to be strong and never let anyone walk all over you,the reason for this forum is for people to exercise their freedom of thought and their right to say anything without fear of contradiction.

you provided us with the necessary tool to confront and persue the truth and now instead of staying neutral you are violating your position and take sides.so whats the use of this forum?feel it in your heart that the action you took was weak and inappropriate, am not trying to bite the hand thats feeding me but rather pointing it to the right direction,i can understand the pressure but you are supposed to be professional and smart enough to withstand it and not make very dumb decisions.that is why malawians oppress each other because people in positions cannot handle the truth.i feel betrayed by you webmaster with all due respect sir.

Chiki · Veteran Member

Mr webmaster,??????????

OK! OK! OK! but wot reasons do u have 2 bow down 2 pressure???????? Like Money low says whose pressures r u facing??? Mukukhala ngati mukuwabakila anthuwa. Mwinatu MR JRC u kno stuff dat we dont kno..... Enlighten us pliz. Otherwise the truth will prevail.

I thought kupondelezana kunatha ndi akamuzu. Our freedom of speech is being violeted big time.Pleeeeeeeeeeeeez pple get a life

-- Edited by Chiki at 19:56, 2005-04-22

Ngwazi · Guru

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JRC,

at the height of the famous malawiana war(Living la vida loca) you posted these guidelines as a way of telling us whats acceptable and whats not.I also understand that the reason you established this forum among other things was and I quote-

"This forum is intended to provide an atmosphere of open communication, where each member can share his or her own insights and opinions"

Now,whats happening?As far as I am concerned the postings that were made met all the conditions that you set for us,the issues at hand are very important to many of us on the forum and as one has already said we feel robbed.You have talked about bowing to pressure,what and whose pressure?what is it that the person(S)who put that pressure on you is/are trying to hide?what have they got to hide?why should they put you under pressure instead of just coming out in the open to refute or confirm the stories?and if they threatened you with a lawsuit,I thought you wrote that each person is liable for any posting they make?JRC,you have dissapointed me because I have always felt you let things flow really well on this forum unlike any other forums,you made things happen on this forum with your style of moderation and even when you closed down "Living la vida loca",everyone felt that you made the right decision but not this time,you dont have the same support.I do appreciate that I dont own this site but what you have done is both inapproprite,unprofessional and tantamount to oppression.I personally demand that you disclose what type of pressure those "guilty "ones exerted on you and why otherwise we will re-start the issue and continue where we left off.All what we want is the truth from you as to why you have done this inclusive of the pressure and from them that have put such pressure on you to the point of you behaving abnormally and what is it that they dont want the world to know,what are they hiding?

Ngwazi · Guru

quote:
Originally posted by: game
"JRC i accept your apologies but sir never sale your soul to the devil because the dividents are bitter.i expect you to be strong and never let anyone walk all over you,the reason for this forum is for people to exercise their freedom of thought and their right to say anything without fear of contradiction. you provided us with the necessary tool to confront and persue the truth and now instead of staying neutral you are violating your position and take sides.so whats the use of this forum?

game,

respect my man.The turn of events is both sad and confusing,I never expected people to stoop so low in trying to hide the truth and JRC to act as their accomplice in that deed by removing the issues from the discussion panel,I would have thought he could have stood firm and let those people know he is not responsible for any postings on his site,he should not have helped them suppress the truth.Anyway we will wait for his explaination as lots of people have demanded for one then we will see from there what course of action to take,no retreat no surrender,we shall hunt them on the beaches,we shall hunt them in the water,we shall hunt them in the mountains,we shall hunt them in the USA,we shall hunt them in the UK and we will never get tired in our pursuit for the truth(adapted from Winston Churchill war speech)

JRC · Member

Apparently, in most of the controversial issues that have come up on this discussion forum I seem to have a conflict of interest mainly for the mere reason that people know me personally or indirectly and as such it is hard to exercise free and fair judgement to either parties involved. In this regard, I have decided to hand over the moderation duties of this forum to 5 volunteers who will be carefully selected after reviewing questionnaires submitted by interested individuals.

Interested individuals should submit their application to jrc22@sbcglobal.net by April 31, 2005 stating the reason ,in not more than 100 words, why they think that they are the right candidates for this voluntary job. The selected few will then be asked to fill questionaires upon which the final selection will be based. The final five including myself will come up with guidelines of how this forum should be run.

Any other ideas or opinions are also welcome.

Ngwazi · Guru

quote:
Originally posted by: JRC
"Apparently, in most of the controversial issues that have come up on this discussion forum I seem to have a conflict of interest mainly for the mere reason that people know me personally or indirectly and as such it is hard to exercise free and fair judgement to either parties involved.

JRC,

I appreciate your desire to differentiate yourself from being JRC the Moderator of malawiana and JRC the person and member of malawiana(just like Apostle Ndovie the founder of living waters and Apostle Ndovie, member of living waters)but what we want to know is the pressure you got and from whom and why?You have done well in the past by keeping away from most issues on the forum (because of your position and desire to be neutral)but most of us still feel let down by your current action,all we need from you is an explaination as to what type of pressure you were under and from whom and why?thats all.

akumdz · Newbie

We indeed need to be notified of any new developments on this site. I have been following comments on the topics: 'ndizoona' and 'is it true apostle?' Truth was being pursued. What next, the topics are nowhere to be seen. How long does it take to keep a topic on the website? I tend to like this website because of transparency and 100% ability of one's expression of mind. Be open Mr Webmaster. Do not put your professionalism in disrepute. We need to have confidence in the site.

game · Guru

JRC
dont give up your position, you are strong and intelligent enough to own up to one mistake,the same way you took the courage to tell us your intentions to resign is the same way we want you to come clean and tell us what kind of pressure?i rate you as an honest and incorruptible person,a man who is forthright who cant let anything or anyone fracture his format,so all we want is the truth,what did they do that frailed your intuition?

as for you descrated people,you have failed us and all the people that ever believed in the living waters church like me.i will treat any living waters pastor with scepticism,because of your desire to kill the truth by threats.if you can come out in the open and tell us the truth,we are human beings,we easily forget,because he who forgives has the power to judge so the only person to judge is the almighty GOD.

JRC · Member

Let it be known that the Apostle being mentioned here does not know me and he has NEVER contacted me to remove anything from this forum rather it is concerned members of his congregation who advised me to remove the topics in question because according to them there is no grain of truth in what he is being accused of and apparently the church has its own ways of dealing with such type of issues whenever there is need to do so. I obliged to their request because it has always been my policy as moderator of this forum to honour requests of concerned parties who want certain articles removed from public discussion.

Ngwazi · Guru

quote:
Originally posted by: JRC
"Let it be known that the Apostle being mentioned here does not know me and he has NEVER contacted me to remove anything from this forum rather it is concerned members of his congregation who advised me to remove the topics in question because according to them there is no grain of truth in what he is being accused of and apparently the church has its own ways of dealing with such type of issues whenever there is need to do so. I obliged to their request because it has always been my policy as moderator of this forum to honour requests of concerned parties who want certain articles removed from public discussion."

JRC,

I am sorry man but the reasons you have given for removing those topics are very very weak.If the concerned members were really"concerned",why did they not come on the forum and refute the story instead of pressuring you?How did they know or rather how sure are they that the story was false? the Apostle being the so called man of God will not do anything that would compromise his position and especially an issue like this which is not only embarrasing to the church but even to the families of the two people involved the degree of secrecy will be more than a military operation,he would try to hide and conceal his activities from those that trust him,that is why it is called cheating.(actually the best word should have been stealing,coz you are "getting" someones "things" without permission).If the church has its own ways of dealing with such behaviour,what about those of us who dont belong to this particular church but we are interested in knowing the truth?

Yes as a moderator you have a duty to perform in order to protect the integrity of the forum but then if these people still insisted that the story was not true,why did they then insist again to have the topics removed?why did they not let us then discuss the issues concerned till we got to the truth,till we got the same conclusion as them that the story was nothing but "lies"?You have said they advised you to remove the articles, why didnt you say thanks but no, Iam not removing the said articles.Are you a member of the apostles church that you felt or feared excommunication or did they threaten you in some way if you failed to carry out their"advice"?

I believe you were/are not obliged as a moderator to honour requests from concerned parties who wants certain articles removed as this tends to dilute your independence,it compromises your position as every time someone is losing a fight,they will rush to you for help,so you are not obliged to do so.It is up to them to fight their own fights and not expect any clemency or help from anyone in a position like yours,thats called cheating as well.You are in the middle as a referee,making sure that the fight is within the rules stated,you are not there to "fight"for someone who is losing the battle by rendering the "hard hitters" powerless by removing their only means of having their voices heard.

For starters can you tell us which other articles have been removed in such a way and the reasons?if at all you have had some removed in such a way ,were the reasons the same?(i.e the story was not true and a concerned group felt it needed removal)

Secondly,did you as the moderator of this forum and responsible for over 300 members,active or dormant,consider the importance of the issue to your members as well as their contributions before carrying out the request from the concerned members of the congretation?As a moderator of this forum,where does your allegiance lie?is it with members of the forum with an interesting story that is wholly true or with "concerned "groups?

and finally if they had nothing to hide,if the story was nothing but a lie,if the Apostle was/is not involved with miss Rudo,why did they feel necessary to,first scare us with destruction far much worse than sodom and gomorrah by giving us scary biblical verses then when they realised that those threats were not working they resorted to underhand tactics and got the stories removed?

JRC,Iam not being personal but as I have already said you have been a very good moderator,letting everything flow without unnecessary intervention and in those times you intervened,a lot of people felt that you were justified but this time around I strongly believe your actions have been unhelpful,inapproproate and unprofessional,basically unlike you,I have said at the beginning that the reasons given are very very weak because of all the people on this forum and in your capacity as a moderator,you should have seen that the people who came to you were only trying to suppress the story thereby stopping the truth,nothing but the truth to come out,people like Harry Muyenza tried and failed to stop the rollercoaster of stories from reaching those who were still in the "dark" and with every turn,the roller coaster was gathering speed and momentum and the only way to stop it was to remove the "running tracks" therby bringing it to an immediate halt by any means necessary,very sad indeed.

game · Guru

quote:
Originally posted by: JRC
"Let it be known that the Apostle being mentioned here does not know me and he has NEVER contacted me to remove anything from this forum rather it is concerned members of his congregation who advised me to remove the topics in question because according to them there is no grain of truth in what he is being accused of and apparently the church has its own ways of dealing with such type of issues whenever there is need to do so. I obliged to their request because it has always been my policy as moderator of this forum to honour requests of concerned parties who want certain articles removed from public discussion."

JRC

the more you try to defend your actions the more you make me and all those sane people like Ngwazi smell something fishy,it realy makes me want to think what kind of a moderator you are,maybe you are not who you portray to be or there is something behind your present facade,if a pope is involved in a sex scandal the members of his congregation would want to know the truth,they would not want to conceal the truth like what you have done.and you cannot take this kind of action when things have already gone amiss,because this is shear mockery to me and to everyone in persuit of the truth.

your delinquent actions demean your profile,and the profile of the people on this forum.now there is no transparency,people will start viewing every issue with limited consideration afraid of another inaproppriate intervention from you.i kindly ask you to retrieve that data and ask those so called members of the apostles congregation to come and defend their apostle on this forum,instead of going behind with a suckerpunch and knock out the truth.tell them there is a criterion on the forum which you cant overstep.

JRC · Member

In one of my previous entry I mentioned why it is hard for someone like me to exercise a free and fair moderation of this forum mainly because of conflict of interest and because people know my true identity, that's why I opted to step down from this position and requested interested people to submit applications for this job. As of now I have received no single application. This makes me wonder if people are afraid to reveal their true identities yet they are happy to hide under their logon screen names and throw a bunch of blame on me. Trust me if the likes of "Ngwazi" had their identities known to the public, they wouldn't say half of the things they write on this forum.

I have never claimed to be unbiased or free and fair but rather I try to be such. To be human is to err so good people out there please come forth and help make this forum a free and fair environment by taking up the challenge of becoming the next moderator.

-- Edited by JRC at 21:41, 2005-04-24

Ngwazi · Guru

quote:
Originally posted by: JRC
"In one of my previous entry I mentioned why it is hard for someone like me to exercise a free and fair moderation of this forum mainly because of conflict of interest and because people know my true identity, that's why I opted to step down from this position and requested interested people to submit applications for this job. As of now I have received no single application. This makes me wonder if people are afraid to reveal their true identities yet they are happy to hide under their logon screen names and throw a bunch of blame on me. Trust me if the likes of "Ngwazi" had their identities known to the public, they wouldn't say half of the things they write on this forum. I have never claimed to be unbiased or free and fair but rather I try to be such.

JRC,

In my previous postings,I have complemented you on the great work you have been doing to run this forum up to until now.I have never tried to be personal and I dont intend to but you seem to be someone who is not forthright with the truth,I have put questions to you that are straight forward and instead of just answering those simple questions,you are trying to divert our attention by bringing in the issue about becoming the next moderator.While I dont have any qualms with your desire to relinquish some of your powers to any other moderator,I feel whoever becomes the moderator(S) need to know why you have decided now to do so(is it because of the criticisms you have received because of this issue or just an afterthought)they need to know what type of pressure you go through every time and especially what you experienced with the "concerned" congregation members to the point that you now feel your position has to be "reviewed" and this information is not for the previledged few but to all the members of the forum.I for one would have loved to apply to be one of the moderators but without enough information on what really transpired between you and the "concerned congregation members",I am a bit scared.What if you were told that whoever is/becomes moderator will be "cursed?"or will "die? or will never have children?"We need to know what was said to you.

JRC,all we want is for you to tell us exactly what the "so concerned congregation members"said to you,what type of pressure they put you under and again if you have ever removed(not closed)topics that were under heavy discussion just because some "concerned"groups said they were "lies" but instead of refuting those so called lies on a similar platform,instead of coming up with the "truth"opted instead to use pressure on you and have those "lies" removed, has it ever happened?and if at all it has happened,what were the topics?This is all we want to know.

On your assertion that people are hiding their true identities,dont you think its a bit rich coming from you?of all the people on the forum,you are the only one with access to all the members personal information in your capacity as a moderator.You have accepted all our postings in the past and present with these "assumed" names and why do you think its necessary now to come out in the open?One of the reasons you have given for wanting to relinquish some of your powers to other people as a moderator is that many people know your truly identity hence its difficult for you to remain impartial,its hard for you to execute your duties freely as their is always a conflict of interest,dont you think those who wants to apply for these positions will find themselves in the same position you are now trying to avoid if they revealed their true identities?I remember very well some time back on an issue started by Mailosi,I mentioned the same thing that people would not be saying what they write here if their true identities were known,I was hammered left,right and centre and almost everyone reminded me that the need for our "assumed"names was simply to be able to write and express oneself freely without fear or favour,do you want to change this policy?

Finally JRC,I will emphasise on two words,transparency and accountability.They are a barometer for trust.These two words are paramount because they show that a person did or intends to do something without concealing/hiding anything and if called into question will be accountable,will be able to explain when,why and how that thing happened.In the situation we are in now are you willing and ready to be transparent and accountable for the actions you took?are you willing to tell us exactly what type of pressure you were under to act the way you did? I rest my case.

-- Edited by Ngwazi at 02:44, 2005-04-25

JRC · Member

Point taken Ngwazi, the next moderators will be advised to be accountable and transparent, the qualities that I notably dont have.

I am afraid your thirst, to know what went behind that scenes that made me remove the topics in question, is not going to be quenched. That will be one of the previledges that the next moderators will probably enjoy, if I may use that word.

Those that have used this forum for the past six months or so, can attest to this that this is not the first time I have removed entries from this forum upon being requested to do so. This is not necessarily the best decision neither does it reflect my opinion on the subject being discussed. Nevertheless, it has been my policy to honour such type of requests.

http://www.activeboard.com/misc/guide.spark?forumID=8720

-- Edited by JRC at 06:36, 2005-04-25

game · Guru

quote:
Originally posted by: JRC
"Point taken Ngwazi, the next moderators will be advised to be accountable and transparent, the qualities that I notably dont have.
I am afraid your thirst, to know what went behind that scenes that made me remove the topics in question, is not going to be quenched. That will be one of the previledges that the next moderators will probably enjoy, if I may use that word.
Those that have used this forum for the past six months or so, can attest to this that this is not the first time I have removed entries from this forum upon being requested to do so. This is not necessarily the best decision neither does it reflect my opinion on the subject being discussed. Nevertheless, it has been my policy to honour such type of requests.
http://www.activeboard.com/misc/guide.spark?forumID=8720-- Edited by JRC at 06:36, 2005-04-25"

JRC

you sound shaky and nervous,do you sometimes read what you write?after reading your response i feel the urge to tell you what i think about you,but i will save the best for last.i agree with you that to err is human thats exactly what happened with the apostle,but you still chose to disregard our pleas to have our data back,because you dont want to be viewed as someone who can easily bow down to pressure,i dont know who let people like you to take driving seats when your conviction for the truth is weak and you cant even have the guts to defend your back properly.am saying this because you cannot give a substantial charade of responses to all this,you knew for sure if you took the topics off and cant handle the outcry you was going to punk out,thats your only way out.you luck real leadeship qualities because you cant face up to the truth.

Ngwazi
thanks for laying down the law for this useles leader,we can stay ungoverned than to have corrupt and corroded minds govern us,my respect for JRC is wearing out everytime i read his weak and pointless responses.am so angry because am a disfanctional youth who feel let down by people i look up to like apostle ndovie,now this man whom i thought made a great decision for bringing malawians from all parts of the world to assemble together and share ideas at the same time tackling issues that affect us as one malawian family.

Ngwazi · Guru

quote:
Originally posted by: JRC
I am afraid your thirst, to know what went behind that scenes that made me remove the topics in question, is not going to be quenched. That will be one of the previledges that the next moderators will probably enjoy, if I may use that word. Those that have used this forum for the past six months or so, can attest to this that this is not the first time I have removed entries from this forum upon being requested to do so. This is not necessarily the best decision neither does it reflect my opinion on the subject being discussed. Nevertheless, it has been my policy to honour such type of requests. http://www.activeboard.com/misc/guide.spark?forumID=8720-- Edited by JRC at 06:36, 2005-04-25"

JRC,

Why do you think the answers to my questions as to why you removed those topics albeit under "pressure" should be given to a "previledged" few when all of us want to know what happened?is it for the same lack of accountability and transparency that you dont want all forum members to know exactly what happened?its not only for me but I believe every member of this forum has the right to know why some articles are "removed"whilst some worse ones are still left open for discussion. Who are you trying to protect?Got anything to hide?

You might have missed my other question as evidenced by your answer and for the sake of transparency I will repeat it-

"Have you ever removed(not closed)topics that were under heavy discussion just because some "concerned"groups said they were "lies" but instead of refuting those so called lies on a similar platform,instead of coming up with the "truth"opted instead to use pressure on you and have those "lies" removed, has it ever happened?and if at all it has happened,what were the topics?This is all we want to know.Yes you might have removed some articles but were the reasoning behind those removals similar to this current one?was it for the suppression of the truth?

The posting guidelines you have given us once again are clear on what might be removed from discussion and I am afraid to say I dont see anything that might have prompted or convinced you to remove those topics.Actually,its hypocrisy on your part to set guidelines for our postings and when we abide by them,we still find them removed,why?or probably as this is your own site you just wanted to "remind"us of what you can do,what you are capable of,is it?Go back and read your guidelines and tell us which one was broken to warrant your "intervention". Let me remind you and other members as to what the posting guidelines say and what you as a moderator can do.(Below is a part copied posting guidelines);

Posting Guidelines
This forum is intended to provide an atmosphere of open communication, where each member can share his or her own insights and opinions
. To help achieve this goal, we ask that you:

Do not post libelous or illegal material.

Do not post harassing or discriminatory comments based on race, ethnic origin, gender, or sexual orientation.

If you have questions or comments about this forum (such as technical difficulties or performance issues), please contact your forum administrator for the appropriate channel for your inquiry.

Moderation

Any post that violates the above conditions, or departs from the intended purpose of this forum may be removed without notice by the administration

Have you lived up to your word?did the postings violate any of these guidelines?why did you not invite the "concerned members of the apostles congregation"to come onto the forum to refute the "lies"rather than you abusing your powers and helping them suppress the truth?I thought one of the aims of this forum is to provide an atmosphere of open communication, where each member can share his or her own insights and opinions,is it not?

JRC · Member

Game and Ngwazi

You guys have a point and your request has been granted. Once again please accept my apologies.

game · Guru

thank you very much webmaster sir.you are a statesman,thats what we call leading by example,lets not let our paths cross again and help each other to create a good and transparent malawiana,

we are not here to tarnish somebodies reputation but rather express our innermost fears on fake leaders and celebrate our success stories together.lets help each other persue the truth without drawing daggers,bear in mind that there is no smoke without fire you are not trying to sale anything by sexing up your story on someone.whatever was said about the pastor had a basis of truth and i for one believed it because its not the first time someone of a high office was accused of inaproppriate conduct in malawi or anywhere in the world.

what you also have to bear in mind is that the apostle in question built his reputation impressively to the point that he overstepped his jurisdiction and used his wealth and power to manipulate and persecute the truth against him.he is an acclaimed hero of the church thats why people refuse to believe any shocking allegations about him.but in spite of all the damaging information that has emerged in recent years about him and other members of his church people still refuse to question him.they still dont want to see whats behind that whiter than white image.

i want to take this opportunity to ask my fellow malawians who are still in the dark to wake up,let us destroy and rebuild our society dont leave room for these dictators we have experienced alot in the past,its time to move on and create a better place for our kids,if they lie to us boot them out ,this is not the seventies or the sixties where people were killed for execising their freedom.

Ngwazi · Guru

quote:
Originally posted by: JRC
"Game and Ngwazi You guys have a point and your request has been granted. Once again please accept my apologies. "

JRC,

to be honest with you have not answered my questions but you have been very very clever to come out quickly and apologise for what you did and bring back the topics though I believe you were not prepared to do that,now the topics are stale but at least we have them back.

I am grudgingly accepting your apologies because I cant push this issue further,you have been a man enough to apologise and admit that you made a mistake(and remedy the situation),you have shown that you do accept/take criticisms and learn from them,whether you continue as a moderator or not its up to you,but if you do (or any other moderator), please dont take the members of this forum for granted,inform us especially if an article is to be removed and the reasons,we all learn from our mistakes.

We now move on to other matters,nothing personal but I still feel cheated.

-- Edited by Ngwazi at 04:46, 2005-04-26

-- Edited by Ngwazi at 04:56, 2005-04-26