apostle is it true?

game · Guru

apostle is it true?

Ngwazi · Guru

quote:
Originally posted by: game
"apostle ndovie is it true that you have been seeing rudo mkukupa?is it true that you have made her up the duff?do you know that she is engaged or married to one of your followers?and do you know that he thinks the pregnancy is his,will you give me answers because i have been to one of your preachings and you rocked my spirit. is this not hypocrisy seeing you preach and shed tears while behind, you sleep with not only young but married women. cotroversial as this might sound but unless someone stood up and enlighten us about this misconception am made to believe that you owe your followers an apology for deceiving them,am even shaking to write this but i feel the need to let my fellow malawians know that a blind man is leading the church of the living GOD. to all the followers do not let this distract a fraction of your spiritual stance but rather have the guts to forgive and forget.and let judgement be to the lord.as for you pastor and rudo the stunt you have pulled subsides the reputation of the people of God who believed in you,and that you have neuroticaly abused a highly regarded position in our society."

game,

so you mean the pastor involved is Apostle Ndovie and the lady is Rudo?When this came out in your earlier posting(in reply to moneylows posting)ndimangoti aaaa,mwina game wangotchula mayina wa as a way of just "tasting the waters"but now I believe you,you cant just mention these names without having proof or evidence.I dont know this Rudo girl very well but just like you I have met Apostle Ndovie in person and to me he was nothing but a man of God but if what you are saying is true then my perception of him will now have to change.Pliz bruv,give us more of what you know

sepusepu · Senior Member

Game,

Courageous you are my brother. I think you posses the guts and nerves to pursue the truth. Hopefully we will get a reply for your posting. I personally wait for the reply.

Game you have proved your part of the story.

Sepu sepu

Harry · Newbie

This story can not go without my comment and stern warning and advice to guys on this web forum. If you speak against somebody whom God has raised or is serving God...attacking him is as good as attacking the one who sent him. Thus Gods word says,

I Samuel 24vs 6.And he said unto his men, The LORD forbid that I should do this thing unto my master, the Lord's anointed, to stretch forth mine hand against him, seeing he is the anointed of the LORD.

Psalm 105 vs. 14.He suffered no man to do them wrong: yea, he reproved kings for their sakes; 15.Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.

Please know that if one is being falsely accused or being ridiculed in any manner, an they are pretty innocent of any offense the Lord God comes in to defend them... hence I don't seek to defend Apostle Ndovie in my own strength but enlightening you on this forum. This can be very grave, very serious because God says he shall cut them off literal meaning DEATH)

Psalm 81vs 18. For the LORD is our defence; and the Holy One of Israel is our king.

Psalm 92 vs 21.They gather themselves together against the soul of the righteous, and condemn the innocent blood. 22.But the LORD is my defence; and my God is the rock of my refuge. 23.And he shall bring upon them their own iniquity, and shall cut them off in their own wickedness; yea, the LORD our God shall cut them off.

Herewith a typical example of deriding/ putting men of God in ridicule the man of God

II Samuel 2 vs 23-24 23.And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 24.And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

There is coming a judgment day, no one is exempted from this..

II CORINTHIANS 5 vs. 10. For we must all be manifested before the judgment-seat of the Christ, that each may receive the things {done} in the body, according to those he has done, whether {it be} good or evil.

Some of the basis for Gods judgment shall include every idle word that we speak ,including speaking evil, lies, fabrications against men and women of God, you shall be condemned or justified by the words you spoke...this is very very serious....

Matt 12 vs. 36. But I say unto you, that every idle word which men shall say, they shall render an account of it in judgment-day: 37.for by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Just to let you guys know, that the church of Jesus Christ is the universal church not one denomination and living waters church is just a part of that universal church of God (all that call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ), if there are men of God that have been used of God in Malawi (which right-minded Malawian would be proud of) Apostle Ndovie is one of them...saying this without apologies whatsoever, of the truth the devil cannot watch, he will try to fight him and the church, the evil one (Satan) will use anybody including you who are being used on this website and other media to perpetrate/advance this devious and satanic lie from Hell....remember if this was Apostle Ndovi's work we would have a lot of reasons to worry but know this that ''NO WEAPON FORMED AGAINST APOSTLE NDOVIE OR RUDO AND THE LIVING WATERS CHURCH shall prosper Isaiah 54 Vs 17. No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.Why? because it is JESUS who is determined to built the church ((through his mortal body( the people, the church) and NO GATES /DEMONS OR ANYBODY BEING USED OF THE DEVIL shall prevail/succeed;

Matt 16 vs. 18. And *I* also, I say unto thee that *thou* art Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it church).Because it GOD who began a good work and he will bring it to completion: Phil 1 vs. 6.

Finally be advised that whatever weapon the devil tries to use against Apostle Ndovie, rudo or the Living Waters Church, God has promised us in His word that ALL things( they may be good or bad things it doesn't matter) will work together for our GOOD. We love Apostle Ndovie and our dear Sister Rudo and am not ashamed to say Apostle Ndovi you will always be my spiritual father and Rudo you will always be my dear sister...By the way wishing you Rudo a happy and blessed marriage with your handsome husband Nik.. Harry Muyenza-Blantyre-Malawi

js · Member

harry, are you kidding? are u honestly serious? I only read a first few sentences of your postings and it was enough to enrage as well as disgust me. when did God say glorify the sinning pastor just because he is my "alleged" chosen one? I don't know how true this story is but that is beside the point. how can you possibly sit there and condon such nonsense if it really happened just because he is "allegedly" chosen by God? and who told you he is a chosen one? Jesus said they will come in sheep skin!! it is because of people like you that there are shootings in church. call a spade a spade and not a shovel! a sin is a sin no matter who commits it. as i said I am not saying he did it but it is your response that is really apalling. if the guy commited adultery he needs to face up to his actions and what happens after that is between him and his God. and about your verses, even the devil can find one in the bible to justify his actions, that does not mean we should sit idly and condon his evilness. no one is above God's law even the "chosen one" as you so call him!! "evil triumphs when good men sit and do nothing"

-- Edited by js at 17:12, 2005-04-20

Chiki · Veteran Member

Mr Harry.........upezeni. We just want to know the truth so dont go intimidating people with whole passages quoted from the bible. And if the story is true then your apostle and your sister are the ones that are going to get Gods wrath. Inu simukakhalako.In the mean time let people know wot they are getting themselves into by going to this Living Waters church and then every1 can decide fo themselves.

Game, Moneylow -dont get intimadated by these truthhaters.Okhaoka aneneri onyenga.

game · Guru

contrymen and women

am starting to get scared even though i know for sure that this story is true.but my teacher once told me that to pretend that something is good when its bad is a sign of untold oppression of the mind

but still this immensely powerful man, has a fatal flaw of his own.apart from preaching stern moral sermons to malawians,his reputation is marred by sexual confusion,and emotional turmoil as some of his comrades have lost confidence in him.perhaps an alert public should have realized that his image was too good to be true.yet in a large measure some sectors of the public are so timid to notice that.so i tell you my fellow malawianas that this man possess enormous power to silence individuals like me spiritualy because i disagree with him.i dont let anything intimidate me of my right to hear and judge for myself all spiritual opinions.

sepusepu · Senior Member

Brother Harry,

I would think by now that you should know that every human being can commit a sin. I see you are including death in your posting, are you trying to scare some people off. I am glad that we share some common features in a way that we all believe that there is God. But you have forgotten that although the pastor is the man who is used as a vessel for Jesus he can be tempted by evil and trust me he can also commit a sin just as any one of us.

I think you might want to look into this Pastor as a gateway of good news, because if you get caught up in believing that he is a saint you might get lost.

I have always believed that it’s a 1vs1 one relationship between myself and God all the middle men are just there to facilitate this relationship.

This is just my opinion take it or leave it its free.

Sepu sepu

-- Edited by sepusepu at 19:59, 2005-04-20

Akhibula · Member

Brother Harry

Don't go about threatening people with your quotations from the Bible just because these folks are seeking the truth. Rather you could do us all a favour by clarifying the issue in question in a manner that is not only unbiased but seen to be unbiased .I am sure the same Bible talks of false prophets (not necessarily implying to anyone in this case). After all, we are all human and mortal beings therefore susptible to sin. Look at the Catholic fathers scandals in the USA, if you attended their mass ceremonies or heard their preachings it would be hard for one to believe or even to think that these Believers could commit such unbecoming and unspiritual atrocities on the poor kids. So no man is immune to sin and temptations will always be there.

One thing you should always remember Mr Harry, your "Apostle" is made of fresh and blood therefore he is a mortal being just like you and me and please do not elevate him to the levels where he doesn't belong. Unless your church is dictatorial then you will always regard the questioning of your church's leadership as basphemy which shouldn't be the case in this age and time.

Ngwazi · Guru

quote:
Originally posted by: Harry
" This story can not go without my comment and stern warning and advice to guys on this web forum. If you speak against somebody whom God has raised or is serving God...attacking him is as good as attacking the one who sent him.......................if there are men of God that have been used of God in Malawi (which right-minded Malawian would be proud of) Apostle Ndovie is one of them...saying this without apologies whatsoever, of the truth the devil cannot watch, he will try to fight him and the church, the evil one (Satan) will use anybody including you who are being used on this website and other media to perpetrate/advance this devious and satanic lie from Hell....

Harry(or should we say Brother Harry?),

welcome to the forum,I do appreciate your desire and willingness to come and defend Apostle Ndovie but I dont take kindly to your threats whether biblical or otherwise.Most of us here are mature people and we are able to decipher between whats real,perceived or a lie .The Living Waters Church indeed is a universal church and the great work carried out by Apostle Ndovie in taking the church from its humble beginnings to where it is today cannot be ignored but this is not about the Living waters church,this is about a human being,a member of this church,this is about Apostle Ndovie as aperson and not a founder,so dont bring about confusion.You might need to go back to the original posting(whether games or moneylows)to realise that these postings carried one simple question "is it true?"Why cant you answer this question and not threaten/scare us with passages from the Bible?I for one will not be scared with your verses because all I seek is the truth,nothing but the truth.People in positions of trust whether annointed or elected should lead by example,its not a matter of "do as I say and not as I do",no,actions and positions should reflect each other and worse when the person is meant to be a man of God.So instead of lecturing us and threatening us with worse destruction than Sodom and Gomorrah,please confirm or deny the story thats going around that the "annointed"was in a sexual relationship with Rudo.We are not going to let this issue go away just because the person is a man of God,there is no rule in heaven that says that we should differentiate between a sin committed by a member of a church and a sin committed by the founder of the same church,a sin is a sin,it does not have adegree of seriousness just because of the position one holds in the church.You might be interested to know that the Bible does not bring about death and destruction,actually it brings hope and salvation and that is why we are not going to be scared by your attempts to scare us and the bible teaches us to be vigilant in our beliefs,the bible teaches us to observe and keep Gods commandments(all of them and not selectively),Proverbs 28 Vs 18,Vs 23 and Proverbs 29 Vs 18 have been taken into consideration in our duty to seek the truth and finally Ecclesiastes 12 Vs 13-14 says" Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:fear God and keep his commandments;for this is the whole duty of man.For God shall bring every work into judgement,with every secret thing,whether it be good or whether it be evil".So let us hear,"is it true?"

Chiki · Veteran Member

Mbale Harry

Always remember the old saying " their is no smoke without fire" And since you seem to be close to the parties involved maybe u can enlighten us as to wot the real story is.just dont try to scare pple with death threats - actually come to think of it its kinda of pissing off wot u r doing. Who r u 2 threaten any1 wit death????????????

akumdz · Newbie

Was he a go between?

money low · Veteran Member

RE: apostle is it true?

game · Guru

quote:
Originally posted by: money low
"brav game,
i wish to applaude you for having enough courage for mentioning the two individuals,unfortunetly i havent been around to contribute much, cause i have been tied up(uziwa ma schoolar)
the people i hate are the likes of harry(come on brav atleast you cud have tried to be abit creative on the user name), i believe men of god should be held accountable for there actions, i pay tithe and offerings every sunday, what pisses me the most is how this so called men of god start spending ma money on bootty calls and all sorts of ****, that the reason why whether the likes of brandy1 and harry, like it or not when i see some thing wrong am gonna come out,and tell it how it is.love it or hate it
harry or what ever your name is ,i havent got time for youre like, i believe youre posting is full of b s to be honest with you...-- Edited by money low at 00:05, 2005-04-21"

money low,ngwazi , chiki,akhibula

i have a feeling that brother harry is the apostle in question,something just dont add up,a friend of mine is a corrrespond for one of the tabloids in motherland and someone has asked the pastor to answer to the allegations am not sure how far he has gone with the story but we will get an answer soon,lets not give up.