SHOUT OUT TO AYATOLLA

Davidia Nyasulu · Newbie

SHOUT OUT TO AYATOLLA

GWAN · Member

ayatolla makes two points:

1. If you are happy in what you are doing; do it. the assumption is that the malawi sisters indulging in prostitution in south africa are happy.

2. Prostitution is a profession; so let's do it.(or let them do it).

My take: The assumption is unfounded. secondly, prostitution is not a profession; in south africa it is a crime.

so what is deep about these two points ? really...

-- Edited by GWAN at 13:50, 2005-01-10

-- Edited by GWAN at 13:52, 2005-01-10

js · Member

I fail to see the depth of these points too. maybe Davidia is so shallow minded that he is impressed with any nonsense that is thrown his way. Davidia go visit the TB wards in malawii then come back and let us know if you still think ayatolla's nonsense is profound or deep as you put it.

MISS THANG · Senior Member

Good point!

Ayatollah · Senior Member

Davidia, I am glad some smart person can see and understand the points I am trying to make. Most small minds can not understand my line of thinking because they are brain washed and were ill advised by some people who do not understand the nature of the mlili we are facing. At no point in my posting have I said prostitution is good and personally I fail to understand why any one would pay for sex. You trully gottabe out of your damn mind to pay for sex. However, that is not the issue we have at hand. The biggest problem that most of you who do not appreciate Statistics fail to understand the growth genesis of AIDS. Unlike most of you would like to believe, the propensity of HIV transmission in the Sub Saharan Africa has been due to the following factors:

Poverty - Extreme poverty. I do not need to qualify this. Most of you remember when people used to share needles at the hospitals. If you ask most Malawians our age, you are lucky if you never shared a needle at a hospital with someone you probably don't even know.

Culture ie Asing'anga using one razor blade on a number of people, Jando, Relatives inheriting the wife of the deceased, fisi tradition etc

Blood transfusions and prostitution is the least on the list. Why? Most people who have sex with prostitutes practice safe sex.

However, with this in mind, you will understand that the Geometric growth has been achieved because of normal people who least expect that their church going partner / office going partner who is not a prostitute could carry the virus. Unfortunately, like I said before, most sexually active people have multiple partners or change partners a number of times in their life. Having an incubation of over 10 years, most people do not even know they are positive until they start seing signs of tell tale. My massive intelligence tells me that if we are to make a dent on this problem, we should make people understand the nature of the problem we have at hand. You can not only get sexually transmitted diseases from prostitutes only. You can get them from any one. Hence practice protected sex unless you know each others status. Labeling prostitutes as harbors of disease is not going to get us any where. Protection! protection is the key. Someone said that we should go to the TB ward at Queens to understand why prostitutes should not exist. I can challenge you and tell you that if you go and interview the HIV patients, you will be surprised that less than 5% got it from prostitutes. Believe me, people may be stupid but they are not all that stupid.

js · Member

God help us all. we have an educated fool in our midst. thank God atleast he is educated. maybe even though he is for prostitutes, he sounds intelligent enough not to allow himself the pleasure.Ayatollah, give it a rest I know, you know and we all know that however you put it, prostitution is immoral, and I am not only speaking from a christian view. so give it a rest. or maybe you just want to show off your fancy big flabbergasting words. ok fine you love prostitutes, I dont. it's degrading. As miss thang said , take a chill pill, and relax

MISS THANG · Senior Member

Give it rest will you Ayatollah. Gosh is your goal in life to counter-argue everything someone says? No one is disputing your facts on HIV/AIDS. Everything you have said about the spread of HIV/AIDS is true. But damn! Do you have to go on and on about it? You might think we are not as intelligent as you but we beg to differ. If everyone was as intelligent as you(God help us) then this forum wouldn't be here.

Tanya · Newbie

with all due respect to Ayatollah's "massive intelligence", he has made no awesome revelations on HIV/AIDS prevention. if i am to applaud him for anything at all, it is for having the audacity to make statements to the effect that those who prostitute might be doing it in pursuit of happiness. yeah right! it doesn't take a genius to figure out that most ladies of the night go into prostitution as a last resort, when all else has failed them, or those that go into it as kids, when unfortunate circumstances force them into it.

Davidia, unlike most of us, has been left feeling completely in awe of Ayatolla's take on prostitution. im shaking my head sadly in lament.

eetchef · Senior Member

Who censors "js" world of language?? His-s rotten and full of corrupt talk. He gets too emmotional and his choice of words is unpleasantly too cold and wintry. Why does he obsessively use such expressions as " Davidia is shallow minded" , "we have an educated fool here " and all kind of stuff? Whats wrong with himself anyway, coz you areso discouraging anyway.Weakness of attitude normally relates to weakness of character in people. Listen "js" ! Whoever undertakes to set himself up as judge in the field of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods. Ayatollah has been great and he has said it all. Your failure to give reason and thought on this particular discussion resulted into such filthy comments. Ayatollah God bless your heart. The truth remains that : The devil has put a penalty on all things we enjoy in life. Either we suffer in health or we suffer in soul or we get fat.Period ..Nobody , and no-one should be telling anyone today about how colorless AIDS has been to humanity. I was born in a family of eight yet AIDS has claimed half already and many more relations gone . Its not a story of success but rather am saying this to become of value to truthfulness. Nevertheless, whatever, is discussed here is not about heroics or who is who on Malawiana.com, rather it ..is self expressive. If ever HIV/AIDS did not get on the steering wheel amongst humanity , prostitution and promiscuity would have been the drivers of life . BIGFUT

Davidia Nyasulu · Newbie

My respect for Ayatolla emanates from the way he presents his thought with amazing clarity and clout.In my view all the counter-arguments against him lack the depth of an argument in the true sense of the word.
Over and above that Eetheef, is also very impressive.
In any event, most of the thought against the RSA girls has its genesis from the stigmatisation which prostitutes have.
As Eetcheef rightly or wrongly argues nobody should claim to be on a moral high ground in this.To say that prostitutes spread AIDS/HIV smacks of a stereotype.
Ayatolla backs his reasoning and most of you side -step the crux of his argument.He raised the issue of taxation vis avis a real proffession.Noone came back with a rejoinder on that.
You can call me shallow or whatever.I do not mind that for I have heard that before.I would have thought that the least you could have done was respect my opinion whether its wack or not because i am entitled to that.
I will not even blow my trumpet on what I know for that is not the issue here.To simply call someone a fool does not mean you have an uppe rhand in an argument.It ought to go beyond that and a real argument ought to transcend issues in a way Ayatolla and Etcheef attempt to do.
Indeed if you tested those RSA girls you will be shocked to find them negative.Alot of prostitutes are more careful today than some of you who think.The fallacy that there is security in a steady partner is so blantantly inept and misleading.
PeopleI love have died of AIDS both in my family and in the wider sphere of friends but none of them got the virus from a prostitute I can say that.Hence Ayatolla and Eetcheef make sense atleast to me.
Some of you simplify matters so badly that you even offend my little intelligence and for you to turn around and call me shallow begs the question KOMA ZOONA?

GWAN · Member

davidia

am not sure about ayatollah's clarity especially in relation to his response to tutu's posting. tutu was simply pointing out the folly of indulging in prostitution; in this case by the malawi sisters in RSA.

As to your shallow mind; well shallowness depends on the depth you came from. you may not be so shallow as others allege.different ? may be...

-- Edited by GWAN at 01:56, 2005-01-12

Ayatollah · Senior Member

quote:
Originally posted by: js
"God help us all. we have an educated fool in our midst. thank God atleast he is educated. maybe even though he is for prostitutes, he sounds intelligent enough not to allow himself the pleasure.Ayatollah, give it a rest I know, you know and we all know that however you put it, prostitution is immoral, and I am not only speaking from a christian view. so give it a rest. or maybe you just want to show off your fancy big flabbergasting words. ok fine you love prostitutes, I dont. it's degrading. As miss thang said , take a chill pill, and relax"

JS, I think you are going off tangent in your arguement. The arguement here is not whether prostitution is immoral or not like you have put it above. At no point in my postings have I claimed that prostitution is moral. Go back and read the initial postings and then may be we could be on the same page and debate intelligebly and not like fools. Other than that, I suspect you either had a sip of some cheap wine or had your little brain stuck in your asss hole when you were writing the above. Do not underestimate Dr Ayatollah. He can debate issues but at the same time is not afraid to get personal.

js · Member

quote:
Originally posted by: Ayatollah
"JS, I think you are going off tangent in your arguement. The arguement here is not whether prostitution is immoral or not like you have put it above. At no point in my postings have I claimed that prostitution is moral. Go back and read the initial postings and then may be we could be on the same page and debate intelligebly and not like fools. Other than that, I suspect you either had a sip of some cheap wine or had your little brain stuck in your asss hole when you were writing the above. Do not underestimate Dr Ayatollah. He can debate issues but at the same time is not afraid to get personal. "

We just have to agree to disagree, as for my little brain being stuck in my ass hole; original though childish. I thought you were mature than I am but I guess i was wrong once again. Lets not get personal, I will lose, I don't have much to go on. As for eetchef and davidia, I speak my mind, if that's too cold and "wintry" for you, I am deeply sorry, for your sakes I will try to change my "wintry" language!! Just to set the record straight I aint got beef with Ayatollah, I just can't pass on a good argument, even if it means resorting to dirty playing. its always a pleasure to pick at your intelligent and extra large brain, Dr Ayatollah, don't take it personal it comes with the territory. if you gonna sling mud be prepared to be hit back!!!

-- Edited by js at 07:48, 2005-01-12