Malawian Girls In South Africa

Tutu · Member

Malawian Girls In South Africa

GWAN · Member

tutu

can't agree with you more.i was caught up in an embarrassing situation on a visit to jo'burg sometime in august'04 where i had to pretend i had not seen this malawian sista at a joint in randburg as she was clearly "soliciting"

come back home...(heard of tosh?) if the times are hard...

-- Edited by GWAN at 20:04, 2005-01-04

MISS THANG · Senior Member

i dont think that's happening in south africa only. I've heard of a few girls who actually stand on street corners in the UK as well. My question to the girls is, is it really worth it freezing your ass off for a few pounds? I don't tkink so. My advice is find something else to do or go home. Coz you are going to end up DEAD!

js · Member

truth be told I would rather be home helping agogo plant maize kumudzi. where is your pride? go home, if you need money for a ticket or bus we will put up donations just ask, we might not have much but we won't let you tarnish our good Malawian name. it's the only thing we have left from Kamuzu's era

-- Edited by js at 01:25, 2005-01-06

bnk444 · Veteran Member

quote:
Originally posted by: Tutu
"I feel so ashamed and disgusted when I see some of our Malawian girls living in South Africa who have resorted into prostitution after failing to make it in other trades of professionalism. My pray and request is that these girls will come to their senses to realise that life doesn't end here in Jo'burg and they can make it in Malawi or start all over again. With AIDS, drugs and all I think its high time our young ladies realised that the world's oldest profession doesn't really but death keeps knocking on your door. Peace-- Edited by Tutu at 18:53, 2005-01-04"

Hell no!!!

I would like to caution you gals out there to stop selling your bodies for money cause you will die so fast with HIV aids.Money should be earned in the right way,Most malawian women would like fast life, fast money which they have not laboured for . THE BOTTOM LINE FACT IS THAT MONEY NOT EARNED IN THE NORMAL WAY ALWAYS HAS CONSEQUENCES AND PROSTITUTION HAS A DEATH PENALTY WAITING FOR YOU !!!! THE SAME APPLIES TO FAGS!!!!

BNK 444

Ayatollah · Senior Member

Tutu et al, in reading between the lines of your postings, I fail to reconcile whether your concerns and advice are genuine. However what each one of you has to do is take a step back, look and come to grips with the fact that in life people have the right to make choices. No one minds that you work in a nursing home or that you are a check-out girl/boy at some Super market. Every one is granted one shot at life. If someone enjoys sex and they decide to make money through selling sex then so be it. The most important thing is that they are happy. You will be surprised that some people do not even give a hoot about living long in life. They would rather live a short but happy life. Prostitution while not gramorous is a profession and should be treated as such. If some Malawian girl chose to be some prostitute, it is not and should be a problem of mine because I am from Malawi. It is their decision and I am sure every one knows the consequencies and should learn to accept full responsibility of their actions. However let us stop being short sighted and branding labels at people. Most people that are suffering from sexual diseases do not get them from Prostitutes. It is the regular working class and church people that are spreading them. Let them prostitute to their hearts content and be merry. Life is too short and it is what you make out of it.

bnk444 · Veteran Member

Ayatolla

I choose to disagree with you, prostition is not allowed in our culture as such we should codemn it in the strongest terms just imagine if that woman was your sister ,are you going to be happy and say wooh sister!prostitution is a profession go ahead get the virus and infect everyone across the board! Or you happen to marry a woman who once was a prostitute and she infects you with the virus yes we would say you were happy that way but just think of those that are depending on you if you do have ,What will they do when you are on death bed ,we have so many orphans who needs people like you to care for them and if this can be stopped am sure we wolud not have these problems.So lets not encourage it and am sure those sister would do far much better here at home than be prostitutes in foreign land.If they can afford airtickets to go abroad and do prostitution then it means that they can use their lives better here on some kind of business or profession but not prostitution .

BNK444

js · Member

quote:
Originally posted by: Ayatollah
"Tutu et al, in reading between the lines of your postings, I fail to reconcile whether your concerns and advice are genuine. However what each one of you has to do is take a step back, look and come to grips with the fact that in life people have the right to make choices. No one minds that you work in a nursing home or that you are a check-out girl/boy at some Super market. Every one is granted one shot at life. If someone enjoys sex and they decide to make money through selling sex then so be it. The most important thing is that they are happy. You will be surprised that some people do not even give a hoot about living long in life. They would rather live a short but happy life. Prostitution while not gramorous is a profession and should be treated as such. If some Malawian girl chose to be some prostitute, it is not and should be a problem of mine because I am from Malawi. It is their decision and I am sure every one knows the consequencies and should learn to accept full responsibility of their actions. However let us stop being short sighted and branding labels at people. Most people that are suffering from sexual diseases do not get them from Prostitutes. It is the regular working class and church people that are spreading them. Let them prostitute to their hearts content and be merry. Life is too short and it is what you make out of it. "

Ayatollah, there was one point in time when I thought you were a bit intelligent but after this posting I am left wondering. what kind of person in their right mind would say such nonsense? do you understand what you are writing? so if your mother was a prostitute it would not be a big deal to you? yeah it's true that AIDS affects everybody but prostitutes spread it faster and at large scale. how stupid do you have to be to say what you so said? I am disgusted. or maybe your are a pimp in which case I understand where you are coming from. what message are sending to a 13 year old child who is considering it? if prostitution is a proffession like any other maybe you should suggest it to those females in your life, like your sister or mom. then come back and let us know what they say. prostitution is nothing but exploitation of women:

-- Edited by js at 04:15, 2005-01-08

-- Edited by js at 04:17, 2005-01-08

eetchef · Senior Member

From Ayatollah with Love and I quote: ”However let us stop being short sighted and branding labels at people. Most people that are suffering from sexual diseases do not get them from Prostitutes. It is the regular working class and church people that are spreading them.”

Those who dispute such facts as Ayatollahs even when backed-up by irrefutable proofs and evidence within our societies are often accused of misleading the public and covering up the truth. Giving facts full of holes about the unseen promiscuity could turn into a mob rule on innocent prostitutes. I think this simply shows how fear of telling the truth about prostitution within our houses and under our own roofs itself is a destructive factor, and one that’s eroding our communities and families.

NOTE: Once the mindset of just crashing every opinion without reason prevails, it creates a forum where problems and difficulties are inflated and where potential solutions are overlooked. The crashing of other members’ opinions without the minds-eye is driven by a self-fulfilling dynamic so that, for example, people who are silent prostitutes are actually likely to conclude that they are NOT under the weather. Them Killers and Devils wearing plastic faces………you shall melt under the intense heat one day.

BIGFUT

GWAN · Member

ayatollah

(with apologies to the FAQIH who use the title "Ayatollah" for the Head of the Council of Elders in Shia Islam)

not only is PROSTITUTION not a PROFESSION in South Africa, it is a CRIME...

js · Member

I apologise too, to the FAQIH. eetchef you sound like an uneducated fool. we are not disputing the fact that AIDs is not only common nor spread by only prostitutes. we are disputing the nonsensical idea of glorifying prostitution in this day and age when hundreds of Africans especially parents are perishing. who will take care of the thousands of orphans when fools like you continue to overlook the harm that the "profession" and "way opf happiness" is causing?

Njiba · Veteran Member

Hello Nonse and Happy New year (yeah its kind of late but you get my good intentions..),

In a way I am still leaning towards Ayatollah's angle of this discussion. It does not matter how proud YOU are of your country, that pride does not quench their thirst for the cash which they (the prostitutes) feel they need to satify what ever need or want they may have. They do not care!! munthu, especially a culturely bound Malawian , kuti afike po panga uhule means she isnt even thinking for herself, the people she supports ( family and all ) and definetely she is not thinking about the Malawian name.

Now how should we act as individuals? that is up to the individual.

Would i be ashamed to be arround these people in PRIVATE? - i plead the 5th and hold my word

Would i be ashamed to be arround these people in PUBLIC ?- YES - Iwould straight out avoid them.

Would i help these people with some cash (a gift) if i saw them? - NEVER

Would i contribute for a ticket to take them back home ? - Only if she really wants to go back and quit this prostitution stuff and if i can find time to actually see her get into the plane for Malawi and if i also have time to see her get off that plane upon arrival in Malawi - now gentlemen and ladies what are the odds of this happening ?

But thats me - Njiba.

-- Edited by Njiba at 22:51, 2005-01-08

Ayatollah · Senior Member

Even though my good name, my family have been attacked and my intelligence questioned, I will try to be as objective as I can on this topic. First and foremost, people have to understand and respect the fact that people have the right to chose how they want to live their lives while on this earth. It is self evident that some of you do not understand the concept of freedom. I do not condone prostitution but I am deeper than that. I know most of you pharisees on this forum are busy condemning prostitutes when you yourselves are very promiscuos. If you look at Statistics, you will agree with my contention that most people who have been struck by sexual diseases have gotten them through the regular working class and church partners whom they trusted with their souls. I would like to question all you little minds out there, DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK WE CAN STOP HIV SIMPLY BY ERADICATING PROSTITUTION??? If you are smart like me, you realize and understand that the problem is deeper than that. For your information, most people who sleep with Prostitutes have Protected Sex. However most people who have casual sex with partners that are not prostitutes have unprotected sex. This is a big problem because most sexual active people have multiple partners and unfortunately this is where most people are getting Sexually transmitted diseases. Which is why I think the first approach to deal with this issue is to make people understand it's magnitude and change their attitudes.

Yes, prostitution may be illegal in Malawi and most parts of the world. However, this is a very sensitive issue in a free society. Think about it, if the government wanted, they could have arrested all the prostitutes standing on the Streets of Blantyre, Lilongwe, Zomba, Mzuzu etc and slap them with the law. However, how does this affect human rights? There is a very thin line and most would not want to go there.

By virtue of the fact that we are a free society living in a democratic society, people will have rights to be who they want to be. Please learn and understand that when you should not judge people by living their lives through your set of eyes. Have you ever questioned the fact that other people do not share the same goal as yours, to live long? Others just want to live their 30 years and be happy. If they are happy and enjoy making their money through prostitution, who are you to condemn them? Don't you think they are aware of the consequencies? Besides, why are you only condemning prostitutes? If it's a man, you laugh about it, praise him and bestow a title upon him "PLAYER PRESIDENT" You pharisees are not infallible yourselves. Remember the word, do not judge lest you will be ashamed. Is it not Jesus who had a prostitute, thief and murderors as Company??? You better check yourself

MISS THANG · Senior Member

I've got a question for the person who said that prostitution is a profession like any other.

Do these prostitutes pay tax like everyone else who works? Coz if the answer is no then......go figure!

There are so many jobs out here that these girls can do especially if they are outside malawi. They might not be good jobs but if you are earning a decent living then i say it's all good. Those of us that do cleaning jobs and wiping peoples asses don't like it but at least it's legit.

So my message is be proud of yourselvrs gals and quit while you still can. If you love sex that much then get a steady boyfriend and then you can have all the sex you want.

On another note gals aren't the only ones who indulge in this "profession". some of our brothers are out there working in as well.

peace!!!!

Ayatollah · Senior Member

quote:
Originally posted by: MISS THANG
"I've got a question for the person who said that prostitution is a profession like any other. Do these prostitutes pay tax like everyone else who works? Coz if the answer is no then......go figure!

I could not help but laugh at the stupid question above. In life, it really is hard to hide ignorance. If you are looking for a response from me, I will let you know that any income unless excluded by the tax code is subject to tax. Last time I checked, income from prostitution is taxable. Just to open your eyes, if you stumbled on some money or any valuables, uncle sam expects you to pay taxes. The same applies to lotto winnings. However, the onus is on you to declare this kind of income. The Government enforces this and you could get in trouble for under reporting your income. However it's not easy for them to have concrete evidence so that they can prosecute. All in all, Yes, Income from prostitution is taxable.

MISS THANG · Senior Member

Ayatollah

If you think i'm stupid then God knows what that makes you. But there's a saying which says that don't argue with fools coz people might not know the difference and also empty cans make a lot of noise, need i say more? I rest my case.

I was only askin a question that does not make me stupid. You seem to think that this forum is just for you. People are terrified of putting their views here coz of people like you. If you are not going to be nice to people then get the **** out of here and let people have their say in peace.

Back to the topic at hand. OK so they pay taxes that still doesn't make it ok. But i guess it's their choice and after all they are old enough to make their own choices no matter how demeaning and dangerous that chice might be.

P/S- Ayatollah..... You need to take a chill pill dude!

PEACE!

-- Edited by MISS THANG at 07:53, 2005-01-09

js · Member

Kudos to you Miss thang. Ayatollah thinks he is so smart but to me he comes across as an intelligent fool, one who talks without thinking. but then we are not questioning his intelligence, it is his way of thinking and morals that worries me. if he is just saying all this just for the sake of arguing with someone then I applaude him for his exceptional talent in debating. he would really make a great debator, but if he really believes in all this nonsense then I fear for him. "not all that glitters is gold" sleeping with everything and getting paid is not happiness. it is low of self esttem and lack of self worth. we might aswell call them public toilets instead of prostitutes, after all what's the difference? if it is because they love sex so much then they should give it up for free. and if they are so proud and happy about it why do they get mad when they are called hule and why do they "practice" at night or secretly? and why Ayatollah tell me, don't they report their means of income to the gov so that they can be taxed? I do agree I would rather wipe asses than be a public toilet. I do love sex too but that does not mean I have to be a prostitute. I don't want to live forever and I would be happy with whatever the lord gives me even if it's 30 years but I don't have to prostitute. I love myself and I would not cheapen myself that much. I am no hypocrite nor a pharisee but it is just crazy, even Jesus (who was criticized by the pharisees) although accepted all kinds of people including prostitutes, told them to sin no more. so anyway ayatollah you are not making sense at all.

Ayatollah · Senior Member

quote:
Originally posted by: MISS THANG
"Ayatollah If you think i'm stupid then God knows what that makes you. But there's a saying which says that don't argue with fools coz people might not know the difference and also empty cans make a lot of noise, need i say more? I rest my case. I was only askin a question that does not make me stupid. You seem to think that this forum is just for you. People are terrified of putting their views here coz of people like you. If you are not going to be nice to people then get the **** out of here and let people have their say in peace. Back to the topic at hand. OK so they pay taxes that still doesn't make it ok. But i guess it's their choice and after all they are old enough to make their own choices no matter how demeaning and dangerous that chice might be. P/S- Ayatollah..... You need to take a chill pill dude! PEACE! -- Edited by MISS THANG at 07:53, 2005-01-09"

Miss Thang, Noticed that you are trying to divert this whole debate into a personal arguement for reasons best known to yourself. Young lady, don't let emotions act against the benefit of the little intelligence you inherited from your parents. I know your weak mind is upset but don't hate me because my postings are full of facts and beyond your comprehension. I am only here to spit and protect the truth. Haters like you would never understand the depth of Ayatollah's brain. I don't see any reason why you are saying that Ayatollah thinks this site is his. Is it not me who has been applauding JRC (the host) for the good job he is doing keeping this Malawiana thing going? Stob being silly and be objective in your postings. Let's debate issues and not personalities. If you have trouble with my style of debate, then ignore my postings. Life is simple and every one has a right to chose.

Finally, I am glad I could help you understand that proceeds from prostitution just like the income you get from your nursing home job are subject to taxes. However do not put words in my mouth and say that I said that prostitution is ok. This is not for me to say. Every person has a conscious and their own beliefs. If someone decides to sell sex for a living, that is their prerogative. Don't expect every one to live their life like you. We are all different.

MISS THANG · Senior Member

Believe me i've got nothing against you coz if i did you would know. I think that's enough though.And another thing,u don't know anything about me so don't u dare patronize me. Let's concentrate on the topic at hand.

Whether they pay tax(which i doubt) or not prostitution in my eyes is wrong.No one can be happy sleeping around with 10 men a day can they? I don't know. Is there someone out there in the business who would like to tell us the deal?

What makes a person go into prostitution? Low self esteem?Monetary reasons? Or maybe abusive relationships? Or just for the fun of it.

I mean no one really knows apart from the people who do it.

Well all i can say is it's a shame. Be careful though coz there are a lot of nutcases out there who wouldn't think twice about hurting you.

-- Edited by MISS THANG at 11:46, 2005-01-11

Lady B · Senior Member

Its Being spoken as if this is only Happening in South Africa , No it aint , i lieave here and belive me i have seen worse , the malawians themeselves in malawi are doing the same thing as well as anywhere else in the world , its actually safe just to say malawians out there not in south africa thats a bit too specific , we hear of all what the malawians in USA UK and al over do , if you wanna give advise generalise dont be specicfi when it comes to issues like those

Not looking for a fight , just simply giving an oppion

Lady B

Lady B · Senior Member

Couldint agree with you more

Abromovich · Member

quote:
Originally posted by: Lady B
"Its Being spoken as if this is only Happening in South Africa , No it aint , i lieave here and belive me i have seen worse , the malawians themeselves in malawi are doing the same thing as well as anywhere else in the world , its actually safe just to say malawians out there not in south africa thats a bit too specific , we hear of all what the malawians in USA UK and al over do , if you wanna give advise generalise dont be specicfi when it comes to issues like those Not looking for a fight , just simply giving an oppion Lady B "

No I dont agree with you either. Reading at the posting from one Tutu you could feel it that he is feeling sorry for what he is seeing or has seen what are our Malawian ladies are doing. I think it is bad just to say things from a blue moon but what we need is the actual evidence which Tutu saw. So it wont be good that we start saying all the Malawian ladies in UK, USA ,South Africa stop bitching around because we think that that is all they can do when things are not going according to their plan. To me genelization I dont like it is stereotyping but lets be specific and tackle the issue head on that is only when we can be able to come up with a solution like donations to buy tickects etc etc.

MISS THANG · Senior Member

quote:
Originally posted by: Abromovich
" To me genelization I dont like it is stereotyping but lets be specific and tackle the issue head on that is only when we can be able to come up with a solution like donations to buy tickects etc etc."

There workin aren't they? Let them by their own tickets back home.