You have the right to be angry!

Ayatollah · Senior Member

You have the right to be angry!

js · Member

i could be wrong but i bet all you want is just to provoke someone or just get pple talking i applaud you. you got me talking. bull ****. you are just saying that you don't even know what you are talking about. honestlly, i don't either

Njiba · Veteran Member

Mayazi Ayatollah, The United States is a sovereign nation but the effects of its foreign policy are such that not only does the whole world watch as the elections occurr but the world also makes an attempt (illegal ones i agree) to influence the results. If any of us have expressed disappointment with the results its not because tukufuna kudyabe ( as you called some of us a tidya nawo), no. We are dissapointed because we know that 1) Africa will only get assistance on the HIV issue if they share the same rightwing and evangelical ideals. This means banja la mtsogolo gets nothing (abortion). 2) The creation of quality jobs will still be very slow. We want to have a shot at a quality 9-5 job after graduating - after all this is permissible under the students VISA. 3) The gun-ho attitude perpetuated by the white house will continue to seep into American society. Some doors are being closed on us just because we are not from the US. I have anumber of friends who graduated with good grades, have good credit and still cant get a job.4) The minimum wage will remain the same (minimal) and this point is for all those pushing 20 hrs at your school cafeteria and things just are'nt adding up. Mr Bush should conduct himself not as a Texan or just as The United States leader, he should conduct himself as a world leader. Enough of the politics , the people have chosen and i will speak no more.

Njiba.

js · Member

njiba you are so right but as i have said time and time again only an intelligent person like yourself can look at the situation like this like you have done. thank you your for your wise analysis i have learnt alot from you in just those few words of yours.

Ayatollah · Senior Member

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Originally posted by: Njiba
"Mayazi Ayatollah, The United States is a sovereign nation but the effects of its foreign policy are such that not only does the whole world watch as the elections occurr but the world also makes an attempt (illegal ones i agree) to influence the results. If any of us have expressed disappointment with the results its not because tukufuna kudyabe ( as you called some of us a tidya nawo), no. We are dissapointed because we know that 1) Africa will only get assistance on the HIV issue if they share the same rightwing and evangelical ideals. This means banja la mtsogolo gets nothing (abortion). 2) The creation of quality jobs will still be very slow. We want to have a shot at a quality 9-5 job after graduating - after all this is permissible under the students VISA. 3) The gun-ho attitude perpetuated by the white house will continue to seep into American society. Some doors are being closed on us just because we are not from the US. I have anumber of friends who graduated with good grades, have good credit and still cant get a job.4) The minimum wage will remain the same (minimal) and this point is for all those pushing 20 hrs at your school cafeteria and things just are'nt adding up. Mr Bush should conduct himself not as a Texan or just as The United States leader, he should conduct himself as a world leader. Enough of the politics , the people have chosen and i will speak no more. Njiba."

Njiba, You seem like you have a good head between your shoulders and you have brought forth a number of interesting issues some of which are a little misguided. I must admit, I enjoyed reading your response and I respect the fact that we are not on the same camp. I will try to respond your concerns in as objective a manner as possible. It is very wrong for you to say that Africa will not get assistance with the HIV issue. If anything you need to be thankful. Is it not my friend George who pledged 15 Billion to fight against HIV in Africa just a few years ago? I know you have too much John Kerry on your mind but Let us not act as if we are suffering from Amnesia. You further stipulate that Banja la mtsogolo (abortion) gets nothing. Please explain to me why BLM should benefit from this pledge when their focus is abortion. Simply, how does abortion help prevent HIV? Wouldn't we be better of if we focused on giving anti retrovirals to pregnant women to avoid mother to baby transmission instead of killingthe unborn babies?

You are also right about having a quality 9-5 job. It is every persons dream to have such. However it is wrong for you to say that the creation of such jobs will be slow under George. The American economy is still one of the strongest in the world despite the fact that we were seriously attacked by terrorists and we are currently at war. For your own reference check how the stock market has responded since George has been re-elected back into office. I can assure you, just like in any other place in the world, unemployment/ underemployment is also prevalent in the US although in small numbers. Note that for any economy to function well you need a certain level of unemploymen and under employment. Could you imagine a place with zero unemployment? My advice to you is not to worry about unemployment, it will be there regardless of who the president is. I will only recomend for you to work hard, get good grades and take courses that you will make you in high demand once you graduate. If you are not good at what you are doing or you major in some silly subjects, employers will reject you and you will blame either your luck or George forgetting that you are responsible for your destiny. George cares about the world and that is why American's are still in Iraq and Afghanistan risking their lives for the freedom of others. If anything foreigners should be happy that the incumbent US president cares about the World.

You talk of your friends who graduated with good grades but are still unemployed: This goes back to the point I made earlier. The fact that you graduated with good grades is not enough. It's simply a matter of demand and supply. It is up to you to go into a field that is in high demand. For example, you would never hear that a foreigner nurse practitioner is having a tough time getting a job or a Doctor who graduated from UCLA can not find a job. As a foreigner, If you want to work in the States, you need to do your due diligence.

Finally yes, the people have spoken and believe me, even though you are disappointed, note that there are more people who are happy with the outcome of the election. You are a minority. Better you than the majority to be disappointed.

Njiba · Veteran Member

Ayatollah, Likewise i have followed your postings and have found them interesting at times though really blunt (thats alright though .. sometimes its the only way people get a point).Now about Banja lamtsogolo, they already have the infrastructure reaching out to the people and the people too already know what banja lamstoglo is all about.Awareness is a big step when setting up NGO's. I cannot comment much about the rights and wrongs of abortion because my reasons for supporting a womans right to abort are deeply rooted in my values which i cannot impose on you or anybody else. I believe however that the 15 billion dollars in drugs should be made available to those who need them the most regardless of the values they hold, yes even if they believe in abortion. This would only be good economics as i see it. At the same time i do appreciate that the 15 Billion is not mine to give to Africa ( obviously not) and that Africa should appreciate any help it can get.

Yes, unemployment will always be there but do not use the stock market as your indicator when gageing unemployment. In the last two years the dow jones has been closing in the high 9000 and lower 10000 point range, these are high numbers ( almost clinton era ).Yet Jobs have been lost in the same time period. This only goes to show that there are really two classes of the economy, the investor section who have it good as shown by the perfomance of the stock market and the working class who have really been overworked in the same time frame by maintaining output despite being fewer in number.Would J.Kerry have had a solution for the problem? Maybe not in the short term.

koma panopa mtima waphwa, tiyeni tiwone whats going to happen and i wish the president well.Things are about to heat up in the Middle East because Arafat's days are now numbered. To js,thanks for taking part in the discussion.

Njiba.

The Advocate · Newbie

The people chose what they wanted and there's no point in being angry or anything coz what good is that gonna do????????Cry, laugh, fight, make love, protest, watch TV: Do anything but the nation has decided and it's about time to look at the positives of what has just happened and not what would have, should have or could have been!

Ayatollah · Senior Member

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Originally posted by: Njiba
" Yes, unemployment will always be there but do not use the stock market as your indicator when gageing unemployment. In the last two years the dow jones has been closing in the high 9000 and lower 10000 point range, these are high numbers ( almost clinton era ).Yet Jobs have been lost in the same time period. This only goes to show that there are really two classes of the economy, the investor section who have it good as shown by the perfomance of the stock market and the working class who have really been overworked in the same time frame by maintaining output despite being fewer in number.Would J.Kerry have had a solution for the problem? Maybe not in the short term. koma panopa mtima waphwa, tiyeni tiwone whats going to happen and i wish the president well.Things are about to heat up in the Middle East because Arafat's days are now numbered. To js,thanks for taking part in the discussion. Njiba."

Njiba, You definitely misconstrued what I was trying to say. When I talked about the significant gains that the stock market has enjoyed since George was re-elected I did not mean that this is an indicator for gauging unemployment. All I was trying to imply is the fact that the market approves George's re-election because they foresee growth in the Business environment due to his strong and sound economic policies. This is good for America. When you talk about unemployment numbers, I want you to be open minded and understand that America unemployemnt levels are not necessarily out of hand. Just in the month of October, employers added 337,000 peopleto their payroll and unemployement levels are hovering around 5.5% and the optimal number is about 4.6%. However, I also want you to understand that there is a relationship between unemploymentand stock market. The gospel truth about high unemployment numbers is that it is good news for the stock market during economic expansions and bad news during economic contractions. In a lay mans term, stock prices usually rise on news of rising unemployment when the economy is an expansion phase or go down during economic contractions. For you to get the gist of this premise, you have to appreciate that unemployment news bundles two primitive types of information relevant to valuing stocks. 1.Future interest rates 2. Future corporate earnings and dividends. A rise in unemployment typically signals a decline in interest rates, which is good news for stocks, as well as a decline in future corporate earnings and dividends, which is bad news for stocks. With this, the nature of the bundle and hence the relative importance of the two effects, changes over time depending on the state of the economy. Studies have indicated that for stocks as a group, information about interest rates dominates during expansions and information about future earnings dominate during contractions. Even though this is the tip of the iceberg, I hopeit gets you thinking in the right direction. Otherwise let me go out and join my friends at a party that has been organized to celebrate George's re election in the city. John Kerry thought he could alienate the rich from the poor and blacks from whites. Divide and rule has failed and the real man has overcomed. Congratulations George. America loves you.