Is Religion a Source of Violence ?

abuhakim · Senior Member

Is Religion a Source of Violence ?

awmygawd · Guru

Another individual might look at your list of conflicts and have different ideas about who the aggressor is.

abuhakim · Senior Member

That will be another individual who is refusing to face the reality.

Mchawa

BlackMoses · Veteran Member

The reality is; the world has been brainwashed to believe that all religious violence is perpetrated by moslems. How true it is, is anybodys guess. However, the original posting over this thread suggests or rather guides the reader as to who the aggressor is.

abuhakim · Senior Member

Black Moses look at the picture above. All these female marines, where were they for these poor women to be searched by this dude? If they could have protested they could have been given a bullet in the head. At the end of the day the very same women will be blamed. Who do you blame when a person enters another ones house without knocking and gets hacked?

Mchawa

sibweni · Senior Member

abuhakim wrote:

That will be another individual who is refusing to face the reality.

Mchawa

mdala dont you think muslim are victims of self victimisation as whinge at anything even if its not religous. for example what does islam has to do with chechnya.

abuhakim · Senior Member

Wakukaya, am not sure am following you. Your question is like asking me what does Christianity has to do with Mbaluku. Enlighten me.

Mchawa

sibweni · Senior Member

thus what am saying bro muslims are busy butting into other peoples business. for example alqaeda is in chechnya fighting holy why holy there you? tell me. muslims are volunteering to go to iraq to fight for their muslims brothers. why muslims? you tell me. there are many religions which are oppressed but do they retaliate like muslims by blasting themselves up? nah they get on with it and move. just check what happens to catholics,christians etc in middleeast and china but they never moan,or kill innocent.

abuhakim · Senior Member

Now you are talking. No-one has ever given proof that behind every Muslim fight there is Al Qaeda. Maybe Muslim fighters are Qaedas. Those who blow themselves up are just a bunch of confused fellaz. If that was islamically justified I could have blown myself up on Abre. And what business are Muslim Brothers butting into? People have their own personal Vendettas out there, but you take it out on all of us. The Christians you are talking about dont know what is what and which is which let alone defending themselves.

Mchawa

awmygawd · Guru

Abu', a lot of these conflicts are primarilly political rather than religious, especially the ones involving territory and other resources. The religious beliefs of the parties involved is merely incidental to the underlying roots of the conflict. In the worst cases, someone benefits by encouraging the illusion of the religious signifiance of the conflict. The Israeli conflict for instance is basically a fight over land (as is Kashmir, Ethiopia/Eritrea). The truth about it is highlighted by the fact much of the latest round of bloodshed is due to a common power struggle within the Palestinian Authority. The other conflicts can also be explained in similar terms. You lose the plot if you focus all your attention on the religious aspect.

-- Edited by awmygawd at 19:24, 2007-05-24

abuhakim · Senior Member

I hear you Awmy, but thats not how most of the people think of it out there. The world has been deceived to think that Islam Equals violence, beside the fact that we are denouncing.

Mchawa

bingiza · Guru

Unfortunately some of ur fellow Moslem's actually proclaim to die in war (against infidels) is a simpler way of getting to heaven

abuhakim · Senior Member

Yes they do proclaim. But Bingisa if I were you I could have found out the real truth about the tendency, instead of putting the blame on the entire Nation of Islam. Maybe those people are just a bunch of Arab speaking fanatics. Bwanji osamatinfunsa ife za zimene malemba akunena when it comes to extremism and suicides?

Mchawa

sibweni · Senior Member

bingiza wrote:

Unfortunately some of ur fellow Moslem's actually proclaim to die in war (against infidels) is a simpler way of getting to heaven

its not only some moslems infact its the teachings that are wicked.

bingiza · Guru

I know u r not a radical as some are i have some staunch Moslem's friends and i have known and lived with them for the past 20 yrs and their father is an alhaji. Now look at this scenario almost all (note not all) those doing suicide bombing claim it on religious grounds to drive out the infidel and erase a certain state from the face of the earth all this is being orchestrated by some gun totting MUSLIMS and they proclaim so and who are you to say otherwise of what we hear from the horses mouth. Thats why i always say scriptures are a bunch of literature for inspiration and reference, look at the bible it even proclaims the same of wiping resisting tribes from the face of the earth but i have never heard of Christian fundamentalists blowing themselves up, maybe you have?

YTP · Guru

Hmmmm....no smoke without fire....?

Pope · Guru

sibweni wrote:
its not only some moslems infact its the teachings that are wicked.

I see sense somehow in you.

abuhakim · Senior Member

sibweni wrote:

bingiza wrote:

Unfortunately some of ur fellow Moslem's actually proclaim to die in war (against infidels) is a simpler way of getting to heaven

its not only some moslems infact its the teachings that are wicked.

Sibweni, Which Islamic teachings are wicked, and which Moslems are wicked and which faith is not wicked. Those are arguments are baseless and lack facts. Being Spiteful towards Islam does not come as a surprise to some of us. One can also easily tell your mindset and cultural background. SIBWENI where was the hate and the blame game10 yrs ago before America declared a global war against Islam. You can not declare a religion iniquitous before you know its elemental philosophy. And for Pope, for once I thought you were wise. Maybe some of us are not nincompoops after all. Bingiza simply ask those people where they get the ideology that killing innocent infidels will grant you Haaven.

Mchawa wink

bingiza · Guru

What about bad infidels? But this is proclaimed by those who claim they are in a Jihad.

Pope · Guru

abuhakim wrote:

Sibweni, Which Islamic teachings are wicked, and which Moslems are wicked and which faith is not wicked. Those are arguments are baseless and lack facts. Being Spiteful towards Islam does not come as a surprise to some of us. One can also easily tell your mindset and cultural background. SIBWENI where was the hate and the blame game10 yrs ago before America declared a global war against Islam. You can not declare a religion iniquitous before you know its elemental philosophy. And for Pope, for once I thought you were wise. Maybe some of us are not nincompoops after all. Bingiza simply ask those people where they get the ideology that killing innocent infidels will grant you Haaven.

Mchawa

these are some of the wicked teachings you are displaying.what we wanted was simply know more on these moslem fanatics.Your attitude has vindicated the war teachings which most mosques teach and its not a hidden thing to the world that most moslems are radicals.
Let me tell you that I know more of your teachings than your self and unfortunately you dont know my religion.

abuhakim · Senior Member

Pope, I knew that you will come up with nothing. you are good at writting about that which you dont know! i thought we will read a radical propagation verse here. in which chapter do we get the above teaching?

Mchawa

Pope · Guru

RIP Abu, issue closed for me.

bingiza · Guru

You still have to agree with me that there are SOME who are extremists who use religion as an excuse to kill others. I have an open mind over irrational issues like religion i have had enough of toying on whoever is trying to shove stuff down my throat.Learn to understand that not all animals are equal.

sibweni · Senior Member

my man abu taking it from you you are a muslim by faith but not hardcore as some of these extremist we are talking about. i do believe religious people are made to think in a certain way. to think in line of the group they belong to.

i will ask you one question bro why are you a muslim?

yes am not a muslim but i have read intesively about the faith. moslems just as other believers rightly think that their faith is the right one. i`ve read a booklet crucifixion or crucifiction. the author is moslem fundament and he trashed the christinity like you woulnd believe it.

but then he mentions nothing about jihad, he never mentions wife beating approved by the islam,he never mentions of the wicked sharia laws which mostly discriminate women,he never mentions how muslim musicians are banned to sing of there faith, how muslim writers arent allowed to think aloud and write critical articles of their faith he writes nothing of the notoriuos lack of sense of humour within islamic faith as we witnessed with the danish cartoon of allah the list goes on and and on.

of the hate you are talking about americans man those qaidas and talibans live inslamic communites locals know them proper but the due to the teachings of your faith man they cant open their mounths an inch so what does bush do?

khoswe akabisala pachisa.....

abuhakim · Senior Member

Bingisa, I will not believe them until they tell us where its written that Islam supports extremism. Sibweni, of course am the proudest Muslim in the whole wide world! the above mentioned title of the Book has got nothing to do with the Danish Saga or permissibility of men beating their wives. But if you ask me, there are plenty of books pertaining to these kinds of issues as to why they were allowed in the first place. A woman can be slapped not on the face, and do not leave marks coz if you do you have transgressed the limits osati kupha ayi. The word Jihad means struggle in the path of God and the best Jihad is prayer. But I know when you hear the word you think of Nkhondo. Preaching is Jihad also. Discrimination of women is even allowed mu chikhalidwe cha anthu akuda. Zonse akusintha ndi ku West. and show some respect by starting with a capital A in Allah!

Mchawa

bingiza · Guru

I will answer properly mawa but one thing that has caught my attention is your definition of jihad, am not very much obliged to believe that your jihad has to involve guns and suicide bomber and dont pretend to be ignorant about the goings on, why was Anwar Sadat assasinated in the first place was it not bcoz he allowed the extremist party of moslems who in turn killed him? I dont give a damn on what you believe in but this is what a majority of your fellows believe is right an dont tell me where is the proof its all over and u can get it all over.

sibweni · Senior Member

abu i think you a quick ride back to madrass refresh your knowledge abt islam if your best jihad is a prayer. your fellows muslims believe of getting 72 virgins in heaven if they die fighting holly war(jihad). sorry my man you will miss them virgins if you think your jihad is praying five times a day. and for that if it was in iran your head could`ve been chopped for devaluating jihad my man.

abuhakim · Senior Member

Sibweni, it depends on how you define the word Jihad. According to the teachings of Islam detonating Bombs in a crowd of innocent people and civilians is not regarded as Jihad but chiwembu. The prophet peace be upon him is the best example, the enemies always confronted him, besides the time he conquered Makka. Amawachingamila to the battle field to save the lives of innocent people, like children old fellow crops and infrastructure contrary to what the Jihadists are doing these days. The time he conquered Makka, analandila uthenga wakuti akubwela adani pasiku lotere and they decided to give them the surprise of their life, going first before the enemy comes. This time again the sent a message that they were waiting for them in the battle field and won coz the pagans were not prepared. To me 72 Virgins is a fair share, and I would love to have them in a proper way and thats true Jihad

Bingisa wayamba liti bodza la nkhunkhuniza. What do you mean majority of Muslims? Which majority? We are denouncing this in case you didnt know. The likes of Son of Laden are just prominent people and it does not mean that everything they do is right. The prophet was harassed several times, even stoned during his time but he discouraged his followers who were thirst of revenge and said to them that one day these people or their son will embrace Islam and kaching! The whole area is Muslim Now. People are trying their best to portray the bad image of Islam, they even produce a false Koran in America to mislead the nation of Islam but failed.

1} In Islam suicide is a major sin
2} Killing innocent people is a major sin
3} Revenge is prohibited
4} In Islam it is advisable that you befriend and show good character to your enemies

MCHAWA

bingiza · Guru

Tell that to your fellows in the middle east Abu, what i dont understand about you guys is your insistence on dealing with America in the name of islam and yet you say and i quote

4} In Islam it is advisable that you befriend and show good character to your enemies

Is that what all of the so called Muslim nations are doing? Or u are acting on do what i tell u and don't follow what i do?

abuhakim · Senior Member

Bingiza you know well how a characterize these upheavals, personal vendettas and I bet you know its the truth. America has interests in the Oil rich region. Why dont they wage a war with Indonesia coz that is the country with the highest number of Muslims in the world. Why dont they come to Mangochi? Its because they dont have their interests there! These Arab folks are tired of being taken advantage of and they are doing whatever it takes to defend themselves maybe these people are just Christian Arabic speaking Americans set to destroy the image of Islam. Tell me one incident where Arabs fought without being provoked. What I blame these Arabs is that akuyipisa chipembezo changa chokoma. Rather blame Some Muslims not Islam. Ngati pali chinthu chimene ndi usatana ndi presidency. Dont regard these Presidents in Islamic states as saints most of them ndi ankhanza which is contrary to the Islamic teachings.

Mchawa