FREE FERTILIZER

mizu yapasi · Member

FREE FERTILIZER

BlackMoses · Veteran Member

i aint sure about this promise (free fertilizer) if it will come to light, but you might recall - if you were then around or if you read a bit of history - his promise of Free Primary School was achieved the first year he went into government. So trust him, he might be able to do that if elected. Law of exact precedence!

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''''When he is speaking I feel sorry for him. He starts a song and backs himself instead of delivering facts to people, mocked Muluzi, attracting laughter from the crowd that was dressed in yellow''''

bingiza · Guru

Yes free education and then what? Look at the education system now its gone completely haywire and its some useless people parading as pvt schools cashing in on BM so called free education, lets look at these issues critically if we are to make Malawi a little better not hail those who brought in rubbish. The scenario that you need to look at in terms of free education is this-
I assume you went to a fee paying primary (whether kamuzu or pvt) but its that same money that is used for school upkeep, salaries and on top of that it builds other schools. What is the story now about unpaid teachers? Endless and i wouldnt want to mention about other ills happening in primary schools just bcoz of one rushed decision to declare primary education free. By the way what happened to GABLE/SMC if you follow these things, enawa ndi a bizinesi amuluzi awona kuti ashota his quota from illovo was evenly distributed to deserving businessmen, he cant get kickbacks from awarding contracts anymore oh my the list goes on and on, if he is now begging in UK from friends where the heck would he get the money for the free fertiliser.

This is what Muluzi did and is capable of doing (his quotes that is)
1- Mukudandaula mitengo yazinthu yakwela ndili ndi grocery ine?
2-Mungoti njala njala ndinayamba ndapempha pakhomo panu.
3-Ngakhale baibulo limanena (olo ndili msilamu) kuti wosagwila ntchito asadye.

Now you expect this guy to change and do something better? ooh my search me.

mulomwe · Senior Member

Don't get carried away guys, he just said free fertilizer for all. Did he say how many kgs per person? It could be 5kgs, remember the starter packs???? And how many people will receive the free fertilizer?.

I think he has got the money from his Asian friends who have been promised kickbacks when he takes over (if he will).

bingiza · Guru

Now do we live on uncertainities? Definetely not. Lets not get carried away by illussion of a dreamer like Muluzi amwenyewo akaba ndalama zathu amakadyela ku UK, i think thats why he goes to UK often to siphon and put his money right there.

BlackMoses · Veteran Member

bingiza wrote:

Yes free education and then what? Look at the education system now its gone completely haywire and its some useless people parading as pvt schools cashing in on BM so called free education, lets look at these issues critically if we are to make Malawi a little better not hail those who brought in rubbish. The scenario that you need to look at in terms of free education is this-
I assume you went to a fee paying primary (whether kamuzu or pvt) but its that same money that is used for school upkeep, salaries and on top of that it builds other schools. What is the story now about unpaid teachers? Endless and i wouldnt want to mention about other ills happening in primary schools just bcoz of one rushed decision to declare primary education free. By the way what happened to GABLE/SMC if you follow these things, enawa ndi a bizinesi amuluzi awona kuti ashota his quota from illovo was evenly distributed to deserving businessmen, he cant get kickbacks from awarding contracts anymore oh my the list goes on and on, if he is now begging in UK from friends where the heck would he get the money for the free fertiliser.

This is what Muluzi did and is capable of doing (his quotes that is)
1- Mukudandaula mitengo yazinthu yakwela ndili ndi grocery ine?
2-Mungoti njala njala ndinayamba ndapempha pakhomo panu.
3-Ngakhale baibulo limanena (olo ndili msilamu) kuti wosagwila ntchito asadye.

Now you expect this guy to change and do something better? ooh my search me.

With due respect Mr Bingiza, i didnt realise how deeply you hate this guy (Dr Eleson Bakili Muluzi). i brought up the issue of free primary school programme as an example that a promise made by him in 1993 during the campain period was achieved, and coz of that the chances that he can also bring forward a free fertilizer was also possible in 2009. in my posting i never said anything about the quality of education that was/is being attained under the free primary schools programme, because i knew that will be another line of thinking and deserving another thread!

The question should be demerits and merits of the former HE' promise on free fertilizer not that of free schools, rather the latter can only be used as referenceto arguments qualification, but not as the subject matter. (Oh, how I wish I were yellow I would have defended the BMso thoroughly and extravagantly)

THOMAS ZIBADE · Newbie

mulomwe wrote:

Don't get carried away guys, he just said free fertilizer for all. Did he say how many kgs per person? It could be 5kgs, remember the starter packs???? And how many people will receive the free fertilizer?.

I think he has got the money from his Asian friends who have been promised kickbacks when he takes over (if he will).

A mulomwe inu muli ndivuto atcheya anena kuti free fertilizer for the poor not for all.Come 2009 I would go for Muluzi because hisa better devil than one called Mutharika who is only forcing malawians to dream of castles in the air.I know muluzi has got problems but the man has got massive leadership skillz pachichewa timati ndi muthu odziwa kusunga mudzi.A bingu angolonjeza zithu zikuluzikulu zoti padakalli pano malawi sangazithe.
!Amuluzi! anthu kumidzi akulila abingu alibe nawo chidwi anthu amidzi iwo mwawo ndi meeting.

Ngwazi · Guru

BlackMoses wrote:
The question should be demerits and merits of the former HE' promise on free fertilizer not that of free schools, rather the latter can only be used as referenceto arguments qualification, but not as the subject matter.

Only a fool will believe such promises.As Bingiza has rightly pointed out Muluzi used to tell the people "fotseki" whenever they complained about rising prices and now what has changed?He ruled for 10 years,when he came to power in 1994,the price of fertiliser,a 50 kg bag,was MK110 and when he left government in 2004 the same bag was hovering around MK2500-MK3000.Even if we factor in inflation,currency depreciation and/or interest rates if he had the welfare of the people,the farmers at hand,then he could have made sure that the prices remained lower bearing in mind the earning power and or disposable income of the Malawian on the street.

He was a businessman then and he is a businesman now,he has nobodys welfare at heart other than making more money through corrupt activities and this promise will just turn out to be another "TEBA",remember he promised the same people he has promised the free fertiliser that Teba will be resumed once he was in power and poor Lomwes fell hook,line and sinker for that,not anymore,azamangonamiza wandu iyayi!

Mboba · Member

THOMAS ZIBADE wrote:

mulomwe wrote: A mulomwe inu muli ndivuto atcheya anena kuti free fertilizer for the poor not for all.Come 2009 I would go for Muluzi because hisa better devil than one called Mutharika who is only forcing malawians to dream of castles in the air.I know muluzi has got problems but the man has got massive leadership skillz pachichewa timati ndi muthu odziwa kusunga mudzi.A bingu angolonjeza zithu zikuluzikulu zoti padakalli pano malawi sangazithe.!Amuluzi! anthu kumidzi akulila abingu alibe nawo chidwi anthu amidzi iwo mwawo ndi meeting

Are u not the same person who wrote that uli pambuyo pa
Bingu in the topic `INVOLVEMENT?`

-- Edited by Mboba at 21:34, 2007-03-28

THOMAS ZIBADE · Newbie

Mboba wrote:

THOMAS ZIBADE wrote: mulomwe wrote: A mulomwe inu muli ndivuto atcheya anena kuti free fertilizer for the poor not for all.Come 2009 I would go for Muluzi because hisa better devil than one called Mutharika who is only forcing malawians to dream of castles in the air.I know muluzi has got problems but the man has got massive leadership skillz pachichewa timati ndi muthu odziwa kusunga mudzi.A bingu angolonjeza zithu zikuluzikulu zoti padakalli pano malawi sangazithe.!Amuluzi! anthu kumidzi akulila abingu alibe nawo chidwi anthu amidzi iwo mwawo ndi meeting.

Mboba wrote;

Are u not the same person who wrote that uli pambuyo paBingu in the topic `INVOLVEMENT?`

-- Edited by Mboba at 21:34, 2007-03-28

I am but I've changed my mind...who doesnt like free fertilizer??ine ndimasatila mfundo zamunthu nde a bingu akabwera ndi ina mfundo yoposa iyi ya fetelezayi nde kuti ndikwelanso ya a bingu.in the mean time Actheya is taking a lead.

-- Edited by THOMAS ZIBADE at 21:42, 2007-03-28

mulomwe · Senior Member

Mr Zibade,

Do you know how many poor people there are in Malawi? Almost 90% of the population is poor. So this fertilizer will be distributed to almost the entire population.

Bingu has done away with hunger, people have food. Atcheya should concentrate on something else if he wants to help and not be a copycat.

BlackMoses · Veteran Member

Ngwazi Wrote:
He was a businessman then and he is a businesman now,he has nobodys welfare at heart other than making more money through corrupt activities and this promise will just turn out to be another "TEBA",remember he promised the same people he has promised the free fertiliser that Teba will be resumed once he was in power and poor Lomwes fell hook,line and sinker for that,not anymore,azamangonamiza wandu iyayi!

Mboba Wrote:
Are u not the same person who wrote that uli pambuyo pa
Bingu in the topic `INVOLVEMENT?`

TEBA was indeed promised to the people during the campain by the former HE, but unlike the free fertilzer promise, TEBA was dependent to the foreign factors in the sense that even if BM so wished, it could not have been achieved without the blessing of South African Government and by that time (i believe even now) the SA unemployment level was high and the then new SA Government could not allow in foreign workers in their mines - because Mandela and his party's manifesto had also promised the people improvement on employment level.

I like people with the mind like that of Thomas Zibade they enjoy each and every minute of thier life. Thier mind is not crowded with ideologies of polical parties. He is not cornered into thinking Binguism nor Muluzism all the time. He is more like DR Ntaba - live for the moment and enjoy it to the fullest -

Dada Ngwazi · Senior Member

THOMAS ZIBADE wrote:

Mboba wrote: THOMAS ZIBADE wrote: mulomwe wrote: A mulomwe inu muli ndivuto atcheya anena kuti free fertilizer for the poor not for all.Come 2009 I would go for Muluzi because hisa better devil than one called Mutharika who is only forcing malawians to dream of castles in the air.I know muluzi has got problems but the man has got massive leadership skillz pachichewa timati ndi muthu odziwa kusunga mudzi.A bingu angolonjeza zithu zikuluzikulu zoti padakalli pano malawi sangazithe.!Amuluzi! anthu kumidzi akulila abingu alibe nawo chidwi anthu amidzi iwo mwawo ndi meeting.Mboba wrote;Are u not the same person who wrote that uli pambuyo paBingu in the topic `INVOLVEMENT?`-- Edited by Mboba at 21:34, 2007-03-28I am but I've changed my mind...who doesnt like free fertilizer??ine ndimasatila mfundo zamunthu nde a bingu akabwera ndi ina mfundo yoposa iyi ya fetelezayi nde kuti ndikwelanso ya a bingu.in the mean time Actheya is taking a lead.

-- Edited by THOMAS ZIBADE at 21:42, 2007-03-28

My comrade Thomas Zibade, if you follow these politicians too much they will definitely drive you astray, they promise alot and achieve completely nothing. They are liars and they are not ashamed of lying instead they enjoy telling lies. Why? Because they are used to it (ndi zimbalangondo).

Atame · Veteran Member

Abale anza ine sindinati feteleza waulele ai NO! NO! NO!
Ine ndinati ndi za bweretsa feteleza wa Urea

Thats what Muluzi will say after winning elections

Tango · Senior Member

Noone should cheat you. There will be no free fertilizer. If

Tango · Senior Member

Noone should cheat you. There will be no free fertilizer. If Muluzi may say he will heavily subsdise fertilizer, I will may be bet my last coin.

bnk444 · Veteran Member

GUYS I HEARD CHANCO AND POLY STUDENT WERE SINGING THE OTHER DAY I HOPE MOST OF YOU KNOW IT, HERE IT GOES

TIMAYENDA TIKUFUNA MUNTHU WANZERU ,TSOPANO TAMUPEZA BINGU
TAMUPEZAA TAMUPEZA ,TSOPANO TIMAYENDA TIKUFUNA MUNTHU WANZERU TSOPANO TAMUPENZA BINGU.........

Ngwazi · Guru

BlackMoses wrote:

TEBA was indeed promised to the people during the campain by the former HE, but unlike the free fertilzer promise, TEBA was dependent to the foreign factors in the sense that even if BM so wished, it could not have been achieved without the blessing of South African Government and by that time

BlackMoses,

You seem to fail to understand the workings of a politicians mind,they only say things that they know will touch and please the prospective voter but without a way to deliver it,simply put they are all a bunch of conniving,spiteful and despicable liars.

Muluzi promised the people about TEBA knowing full well that it was not going to happen.You might be interested to note that the South African government through the Chamber of Mines introduced the HIV screening test way back in 1986 for its recruits and by 1988,over two hundred Malawians had tested positive for the virus.When the South African requested the Malawi government to start screening all potential workers before they left,the government refused that request on both moral and legal grounds and the South Africans responded by stopping TEBA recruitment as well as they started repatriating all Malawians working there on TEBA contracts,13000 Malawians were sent home regardless of whether they were positive or not (Wiseman Chijere Chirwa,Health Transition Review,Supplement 3 to Volume 7,1997,5-15).

Now Muluzi knew all this,and Muluzi knew that the labour market in South Africa was going to be protected once the ANC came to power because that was one of the manifesto cornerstones and a concession that the ANC made to COSATU,now If I may ask you why did he still promise the people of Malawi about TEBA other than to con them to give him their votes,what can stop him from doing the same now?What difference does it make to him if he gets into power and does not deliver on his promise?He will be sitting pretty in the New State House rolling his belly with laughter about how gullible Malawians are!

Without sounding dissapointed,let me say we sholud approach these issues objectively and not bring in the so called "isms".I dont belong to any of the camps but I believe in principled,objective and fair criticism,without taking sides.So for you to say some of us are crowded with ideaologies shows lack of respect for those who hold differing views to yours.

-- Edited by Ngwazi at 01:31, 2007-03-30

awmygawd · Guru

Ngwazi wrote:
...You might be interested to note that the South African government through the Chamber of Mines introduced the HIV screening test way back in 1986 for its recruits and by 1988,over two hundred Malawians had tested positive for the virus.When the South African requested the Malawi government to start screening all potential workers before they left,the government refused that request on both moral and legal grounds and the South Africans responded by stopping TEBA recruitment as well as they started repatriating all Malawians working there on TEBA contracts,13000 Malawians were sent home regardless of whether they were positive or not...

?
Classic apartheid South Africa.

Dada Ngwazi · Senior Member

But muluzi promised alot when he came to power in 1994 but didn't fulfill a 1/4 of it. Free shoes and later he said " mumati ndi zakupatsani tsapato ine, kodi munandipatsa ma 'size' atsapato zanu? He promised to build a bridge between Nkhata Bay Boma and Likoma/Chizumulu Islands, nothing happened. Not even a new ship to commute between these Islands.

awmygawd · Guru

Dada Ngwazi wrote:
He promised to build a bridge between Nkhata Bay Boma and Likoma/Chizumulu Islands...

And people actually believeed that? Ha ha ha! Even in the richest of countries, a project like that would be considered completely insane.

THOMAS ZIBADE · Newbie

Ife tikudikila shire-zambezi waterway project ku lower shire plus airport Bingu promised.Tatopa ndi ma ground breaking okha.Azanena chani 2009?

Dada Ngwazi · Senior Member

awmygawd wrote:

Dada Ngwazi wrote: He promised to build a bridge between Nkhata Bay Boma and Likoma/Chizumulu Islands... And people actually believeed that? Ha ha ha! Even in the richest of countries, a project like that would be considered completely insane.

Yeah people believed it because they do believe in their politicians, I don't. They are all bunch of liars!!