The Global terrorists: Christians to Born Agains

eetchef · Senior Member

The Global terrorists: Christians to Born Agains

abre les ojos · Guru

Up till today, there is NO evidence that Afghanistan was responsible for 9/11. None. They say Bin Laden did it. HOW? Where is the evidence. NONE! As far as we know, the people who were responsible died in them. It was a suicide mission.

Let's not even get into the muddy waters that is Iraq.

Pope · Guru

Bin Laden declared responsibility and Afghanstan was hosting the terrorist master.

abre les ojos · Guru

Pope wrote:

Bin Laden declared responsibility and Afghanstan was hosting the terrorist master.

Where? When? Show me the evidence!!! I certainly haven't seen it!

Pope · Guru

It was on internet and Tvs.Why was Afghanstan hit?

awmygawd · Guru

abre les ojos wrote:

Where? When? Show me the evidence!!! I certainly haven't seen it!

Where would you expect to find it?

abre les ojos · Guru

Do you people forget how this all started? Immediately after 9/11, the media was fed these fabulous stories about Bin Laden and all that Al Qaida business. The public was demanding quick answers. None of the so-called listed 11 high-jackers were from Afghanistan, ever lived in Afghanistan or otherwise. In fact the list the CIA put out had suspects that were later found to be alive. This has been widely reported by even the BBC.

Before the invasion of Afghanistan, the Taliban government demanded evidence of Bin Laden's guilt. The pretty much said that if America could provide the evidence they would hand him over.

Well, haven't seen it yet...

I don't know if any of you have even read the 9/11 commission report...

I mean, it is laughable that the FBI claimed to find Mohammed Atta's passport in the wreckage of the twin towers. Only some total idiot would believe that story. Or the one that they found his abandoned car complete with flight manuals in arabic.

If you go to the FBI website - go on, try it. Bin Laden is listed wanted; but not for 9/11. The FBI never ever claimed he did it. The media did - of course fed from the Pentagon.

I mean you can't make such a huge claim and not have a shread of proof. If anyone can actually link me to one, I'll be glad to read it. In fact Bin Laden did give out a statement - released on Aljazeera that he was not responsible. The US conveniently denied its authenticity.

Let's be honest here. America invaded Afghanistan with the amount of evidence that wouldn't even be enough to kick down the doors of a crack house opposite a primary school...

Pope · Guru

So America is chasing shadows.

guevara · Senior Member

abre les ojos wrote:

Pope wrote:

Bin Laden declared responsibility and Afghanstan was hosting the terrorist master.

Where? When? Show me the evidence!!! I certainly haven't seen it!

get a life man!do we look like we keep archive footage from al jazeera ,cnn or the beeb?he claimed responsibilty for crying out loud

abre les ojos · Guru

Guevara. Did you actually see this so-called confession? Search the internet and post this link. If it was on Al-Jazeera or BBC it would still be in the archives.

Like I said check out the FBI site, even his listing on Wikipedia. There is actually ZERO evidence of Bin Laden's guilt. Absolutely zero.

You haven't read the 9/11 commission report - I suggest you look for it online.

We have been jumping to the greatest propaganda of this century so-far. If you or anyone can show how some rebel living in the mountains of Afghanistan can fund, organise and execute 9/11 - without any electricity, or phone or computer; you'll get a job in the FBI. Because to be honest even they haven't a damn clue. Forget the stories - let's see the EVIDENCE.

game · Guru

abre,tell the whole forum that this is a lie and misinformation.

Bin Laden: Yes, I did it
By David Bamber
(Filed: 11/11/2001)

OSAMA BIN LADEN has for the first time admitted that his al-Qa'eda group carried out the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon, the Telegraph can reveal.

Osama bin Laden with journalist Hamid Mir during the interview for a Pakistani newspaper

In a previously undisclosed video which has been circulating for 14 days among his supporters, he confesses that "history should be a witness that we are terrorists. Yes, we kill their innocents".

In the footage, shot in the Afghan mountains at the end of October, a smiling bin Laden goes on to say that the World Trade Centre's twin towers were a "legitimate target" and the pilots who hijacked the planes were "blessed by Allah".

The killing of at least 4,537 people was justified, he claims, because they were "not civilians" but were working for the American system.

Bin Laden also makes a direct personal threat against Tony Blair, the Prime Minister, for the first time, and warns nations such as Australia, Germany and Japan to stay out of the conflict.

The video will form the centrepiece of Britain and America's new evidence against bin Laden, to be released this Wednesday.

The footage, to which the Telegraph obtained access in the Middle East yesterday, was not made for public release via the al-Jazeera television network used by bin Laden for propaganda purposes in the past. It is believed to be intended as a rallying call to al-Qa'eda members.

In the video, bin Laden says: "The Twin Towers were legitimate targets, they were supporting US economic power. These events were great by all measurement. What was destroyed were not only the towers, but the towers of morale in that country."

The hijackers were "blessed by Allah to

guevara · Senior Member

abre les ojos wrote:

Guevara. Did you actually see this so-called confession? Search the internet and post this link. If it was on Al-Jazeera or BBC it would still be in the archives. Like I said check out the FBI site, even his listing on Wikipedia. There is actually ZERO evidence of Bin Laden's guilt. Absolutely zero. You haven't read the 9/11 commission report - I suggest you look for it online. We have been jumping to the greatest propaganda of this century so-far. If you or anyone can show how some rebel living in the mountains of Afghanistan can fund, organise and execute 9/11 - without any electricity, or phone or computer; you'll get a job in the FBI. Because to be honest even they haven't a damn clue. Forget the stories - let's see the EVIDENCE.

Have you read game's post?a little bit of silence and calming down doesnt make one look dull.

abre les ojos · Guru

I was actually waiting for someone to post that link. By the way no one actually watched that video. I have been searching al-jazeera for it nothing.

Well, being the Telegraph (a conservative right wing paper) I'm not surprised it carried that claim.

Unfortunately, the CIA and FBI don't have evidence of Osama's involvement. Maybe the Telegraph does. I vaguely remember they found in the rubble of Iraqi's ministry some documents that listed all the people who challenged the war in Iraq as being under the pay of Saddam. Well, they were found to be fake and had to pay Galloway a tidy sum of money.

The so-called confession, like most videos from "Bin Laden are inauthentic and not evidence of anything. If that is the ONLY evidence America has of Bin Laden's guilt then I'm afraid that would not stand up in court and they invaded Afghanistan before it came about...

game · Guru

abre,stop reading conspiracy theories man,every factual event can be a subject to theories.i know you want to say bush and his brother who was in charge of the company that operated in the world trade are responsible.

guevara · Senior Member

abre les ojos wrote:

I was actually waiting for someone to post that link. By the way no one actually watched that video. I have been searching al-jazeera for it nothing. Well, being the Telegraph (a conservative right wing paper) I'm not surprised it carried that claim. Unfortunately, the CIA and FBI don't have evidence of Osama's involvement. Maybe the Telegraph does. I vaguely remember they found in the rubble of Iraqi's ministry some documents that listed all the people who challenged the war in Iraq as being under the pay of Saddam. Well, they were found to be fake and had to pay Galloway a tidy sum of money. The so-called confession, like most videos from "Bin Laden are inauthentic and not evidence of anything. If that is the ONLY evidence America has of Bin Laden's guilt then I'm afraid that would not stand up in court and they invaded Afghanistan before it came about...

B*ll*cks

abre les ojos · Guru

game wrote:

abre,stop reading conspiracy theories man,every factual event can be a subject to theories.i know you want to say bush and his brother who was in charge of the company that operated in the world trade are responsible.

???

Conspiracy theory what. I asked a simple question. Have any of you actually read the 9/11 commission report? NO.

Have any of you seen the "evidence" linking Bin Laden to 9/11. NO

Have any of you even seen a transcript of this so-called confession. NO

No one I know. Or heard of, can actually state with FACT, the PROOF of Bin Laden's guilt. I told you to go to the FBI website. He is not listed as even a suspect... It's the FBI for crying out loud. And they would know won't they. I mean, it's their job to.

You guys don't have a clue about how all this stuff is being manufactured. Well, you people believe in stuff without evidence anyway so why should I even bother...

Pope · Guru

abre les ojos wrote:

??? Conspiracy theory what. I asked a simple question. Have any of you actually read the 9/11 commission report? NO. Have any of you seen the "evidence" linking Bin Laden to 9/11. NO Have any of you even seen a transcript of this so-called confession. NO No one I know. Or heard of, can actually state with FACT, the PROOF of Bin Laden's guilt. I told you to go to the FBI website. He is not listed as even a suspect... It's the FBI for crying out loud. And they would know won't they. I mean, it's their job to. You guys don't have a clue about how all this stuff is being manufactured. Well, you people believe in stuff without evidence anyway so why should I even bother...

The unbelieving Thomas.Try to read better books and dont rely on internet for all your information.I had a friend in school who liked reading novels instead of literature books,you know what ,he was more of a romantic statue than a candidate in exams.

game · Guru

abre,are you really a graduate?you are half insensitive man,the evidence i gave you above is news,the journalist who interviewed bin laden actually put a picture of them together,the FBI and the CIA have audio evidence linking this atrocities to bin laden.why are you like this man?do you understand arabic?if you do,go to aljazeeera web site and punch in what you want to find,to be honest with you am beginning to think you never been to school.or you stepped your foot in college but didnt finish you are so lacking man.

abre les ojos · Guru

game wrote:

abre,are you really a graduate?you are half insensitive man,the evidence i gave you above is news,the journalist who interviewed bin laden actually put a picture of them together,the FBI and the CIA have audio evidence linking this atrocities to bin laden.why are you like this man?do you understand arabic?if you do,go to aljazeeera web site and punch in what you want to find,to be honest with you am beginning to think you never been to school.or you stepped your foot in college but didnt finish you are so lacking man.

Game. Do yourself ONE favour before you level abuses at me...

1. Visits the FBI site itself or the CIA one and read about what Bin Laden is wanted for... Simple as that. Then we can discuss this topic.

And while you're at it. Read (even though Pope accuses me of not doing it) Al Qaeda by Jason Burke. After that, we cam actually begin to talk about this topic of which it seems you know little about.

game · Guru

you see,i knew you would say am throwing abuses at you,but its your ignorance which ignites me to question your schooling.you do that as well,everything to you is about evidence,but it looks like you are the one who is blind or not euipped with the capability to see evidence.

abre les ojos · Guru

game wrote:

you see,i knew you would say am throwing abuses at you,but its your ignorance which ignites me to question your schooling.you do that as well,everything to you is about evidence,but it looks like you are the one who is blind or not euipped with the capability to see evidence.

I repeat EVERYTHING in the world is about evidence. Without actual evidence one can claim anything. The reason why it actually requires evidence to convict someone in the courts.

I never make claims that cannot be substantiated. The Nazis used to say that a lie frequently told become true. well, the propaganda post 9/11 in the US would make the Nazi green with envy. Why don't you try do some research on the topic.

I must say, there is a lot of conspiracy theory out there but it is not hard to distinguish what's fact and what's just not possible or farfetched.

And to Pope. There is actually more truth on the internet than on the news and in print. Anyone watch Fox news? Or read the British tabloids? Or even CNN? I reckon a fair amount of the people on this forum do reading from the levels of IQs. You know yourselves... The propaganda put forward by these major news sources is really very sophisticated and sometimes subtle like in the case of CNN and not so subtle as with Fox. Anyone with an enquiring mind can see how all this consent is being manufactured. It's highly effective.

How does this all fit into Bin Laden and 9/11 guilt? Well, I've been following every development in this story. Reading every news story, internet gossip, books on terrorism and propaganda from both sides of the political spectrum. I have still not come across convincing evidence of Bin Laden's involvement. At least that can actually stand in a court of law. It has been mentioned so many times that we seem to take it for granted that he's responsible. Maybe because they are looking for a scapegoat and are failing to admit that it was a one off and the perpetuators died together with the victims. Probably for other reasons.

Pope · Guru

Abreeeee.....stop xposing your level.The fact and the truth is that Bin Laden accepted it himself and scorned Bush and Blair,I watched the news with my eyes,he furhther challenged with his gun in his hands that he wouldnt be found .

Secondly, Internet is used by mixed brains ie shallow,medium and big brains,who will post whatever they feel suit and true,you have to be sure of what you read.You always insist on evidence,this is not a court of law that we should scamper around and bring evidence,we know that the wise takes one word.

Next time you will ask your papa for evidence that you are a production of their sweet nite.

abre les ojos · Guru

Look. Read my post again.

The people who are in charge of the investigation. Namely the FBI themselves have NO, and I repeat NO concrete evidence of a direct link between Bin Laden and 9/11. It doesn't matter what you think or believe. The investigation has no evidence. Now of course politicians say differently and the propaganda has turned out that people like you accept it without even examining the evidence or even know about it.

In fact I'm actually ashamed that you guys are not more critical and are prepared to accept everything on the news media. Still, you guys who believe in religion would believe anything...

Have you gone on the FBI website? NO. Have you exactly examined the evidence linking Bin Laden to 9/11. NO

Then why are you people even debating this with me?

guevara · Senior Member

abre les ojos wrote:

Look. Read my post again. The people who are in charge of the investigation. Namely the FBI themselves have NO, and I repeat NO concrete evidence of a direct link between Bin Laden and 9/11. It doesn't matter what you think or believe. The investigation has no evidence. Now of course politicians say differently and the propaganda has turned out that people like you accept it without even examining the evidence or even know about it. In fact I'm actually ashamed that you guys are not more critical and are prepared to accept everything on the news media. Still, you guys who believe in religion would believe anything... Have you gone on the FBI website? NO. Have you exactly examined the evidence linking Bin Laden to 9/11. NO Then why are you people even debating this with me?

Abre,in your right thinking capacity,do you really think the fbi would be kind enough to put up their classified dossiers on their web page for all to see?OR do they care if some self styled'intellect' on malawiana demands evidence?if you are a graduate from the west(or where ever) you should know better about researching on line.

Pope · Guru

In your usual form to defend yourself.Like in Tembos case of conspiracy to murder the Bishops.The act was done by experts and thus why they managed to hit america, they might as well corrupt the FBI.

Since the 9/11 money has changed hands.

abre les ojos · Guru

guevara wrote:

abre les ojos wrote:

Abre,in your right thinking capacity,do you really think the fbi would be kind enough to put up their classified dossiers on their web page for all to see?OR do they care if some self styled'intellect' on malawiana demands evidence?if you are a graduate from the west(or where ever) you should know better about researching on line.

Boy you're ignorant! It's obvious you don't have an education of any kind more than secondary school. Or are a college drop-out. Either that or you're just playing dumb-devil's advocate (I doubt that seeing that you don't have the intellectually capacity to do so effectively)

Enough of your ignorance, come back after you've read the 9/11 report.

guevara · Senior Member

abre les ojos wrote:

guevara wrote:

abre les ojos wrote:

Abre,in your right thinking capacity,do you really think the fbi would be kind enough to put up their classified dossiers on their web page for all to see?OR do they care if some self styled'intellect' on malawiana demands evidence?if you are a graduate from the west(or where ever) you should know better about researching on line.

Boy you're ignorant! It's obvious you don't have an education of any kind more than secondary school. Or are a college drop-out. Either that or you're just playing dumb-devil's advocate (I doubt that seeing that you don't have the intellectually capacity to do so effectively) Enough of your ignorance, come back after you've read the 9/11 report.

I cant be bothered mate,you keep reading your flipping 9/11 report!i have better fish to fry!

abre les ojos · Guru

Then go fry those fish then...