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Lady B · Senior Member

ABRE ?????

abre les ojos · Guru

Interesting.

But we need to understand the fact that "belief" has a history. The default of human nature is ignorance. We learn as soon as we can perceive our world. The beautiful thing about nature is that we can empathise with others. A baby can understand that as soon as they begin to reason. You see them point at objects - shows they "know" that their perception is the same as everyone else's even before they understand why.

Now, religion has left us with the illusion that law was created by it. That without it we will resort to anarchy. Well, simple organisms don't have it but can still live harmoniously with their environment; some even better than man. It is natural to keep in line. To look after our young, to keep communities. There is a powerful evolutionary advantage to it for obvious reasons. Religion or belief is a result of this coupled with our amazing intelligence and too use. Religion is a "tool", or was at least before we found science as a superior form of understanding our world.

I can sincerely understand why people need religion to understand the randomness of life, the utter chaos of the way things happen. Religion gives us an excuse, puts a pattern where there really might not be one - blames it on a supernatural "otherness". Its convenient. It freed our ancestors minds to reflect on other things. Probably explains why there is a feelgood factor to it.

Science as reality can be harsh. Uncompromising sometimes. Yes it is. That's why it isn't art or music (essential things too). It doesn't bother itself with awe or beauty. Its chief purpose is to explain stuff by evidence and experiments. Delusions might be comforting (religion). But the fact that they are based on myth and not truth that can be verified they are basically dangerous in the long run. I mean if you listen to religious people and check its history; it is it's own argument for how dangerous it is.

Lady B · Senior Member

Good point. If they have to do with God, we can call them Religious or Theistic, if they have to do with "debunking God" we can call them Atheistec, and if they are God-neutral we can call them Agnostic.

If force is as good as reason to base a state's authority on, then that state would seem to be no better than any other. What gives them a right to make a social contract?

But Abre dont you think that God belief exists soley to explain the gaps in our tangible knowledge. The removal of this 'belief' would signify the removal of the gaps.

As mankind learns and advances, dont you think it needs for gods and goddesses diminishes. There was a time the rising of the sun, the growth of crops,and even the conception of children was atributed to gods and magic.
Now, we realize the process behind said phenomenon, and the placing of invisible deities in these scenarios has been eliminated.

Fast forward to today. Our one great unexplained mystery, the origin of space and material, is still the dominion of the unknown. (gods) Once this mystery is unravelled, as it invariably will eventually be, the last vestage and need for gods will fall by the wayside.

Philosophers will then be dealing in fact, not abstract

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abre les ojos · Guru

Philosophy isn't a science. There's no reason why it should involve itself in scientific phenomena. And I sincerely believe that man is moving towards a more agnostic society even if we have seen a resurgence of religiousity over the past few years. Truth is, it is political as opposed to "faith". Whether it be Islamic fanaticism or Christian fundamentalism these forces are really a symptom of wider political/economical issues.

We live in an age of science. Contrary to what members of this forum argue about religion, they have more "faith" in science than in religious superstition like people did thousands of years ago. Upbringing or just simple ignorance still keeps people clinging to bits of biblical fantasy but all in all its pretty obvious that science is too strong to be ignored anymore. Even by some real fanatics.

I mean, people don't believe in Greek gods anymore; they did, even before Christianity. Now we don't even think about them anymore. Soon most religions would be thought of like that. Just as long as they don't get hold of nuclear weapons and kill us all!