was the torture worth it ?

TT · Veteran Member

was the torture worth it ?

abre les ojos · Guru

I'm surprised that still goes on. I guess you can tell already what my next point will be...I don't think it matters anymore. Someone dies a hundred years ago, why should I waste my precious moments on earth spending that day doing nothing constructive.

I mean, I have my own heroes and i wish I could get the whole world to suspend their activities just to worship them on the day they died or were born. But the chances of that happening are slim. So why should the state have any right to tell me who my heroes or enemies are. I think I can choose them for myself.

madongo · Newbie

TT

Everyone knows that the torture was not necessary, and everyone knows that Kamuzu was a dictator and whatever whims he had were followed, otherwise ....(crocodile food in the Shire). Only

Abre,

Don't be suprised coz the practice ceased years ago. Of course, 3rd March is still a public holiday, but without the restrictions of movement and so forth. You can drink dance or...without fear of being turned into crocodile food.

TT · Veteran Member

musayiwale kuti anzanthuwa amangoyinkhila ziri zonse ,sakuziwanso kuti ndi John chilembwe amaoneka bwanjiokay so i dont know him aas well but ive got an idea.but anyway .do you think it had anything to with discpline? you know that maybe that they had to force those rules on us to make the day have a meaning or something otherwise it was going to be regarded as any other holiday ,a chance to go shopping and do your laundry.

but that was just bad .do you guys remember those horrible songs?

game · Guru

wow i forgot it was the 3rd of march today,does anyone remember this statement,"kudzabwera winaaah! adzati kwachaaa!" i used to believe that chilembwe really said this,to be honest malawians were stupid enough to be fooled like that.but someone i adored and respected once told me it was a gimmick,he said the whole system was a gimmick,kamuzu was a fraudster,thats why he had the youth league on each and every corner of our streets.if chilembwe's body was never found and up to now nobody knows where he died or how he died how the flipping hell did they know what his last words were?bollocks.i think we have to rewrite our history and erase this pussys's name from it,or portray him like any other politictian not the father and founder of our nation.

TT · Veteran Member

wow game

you really hated the bold guy huh?

koma honestly ,who knew the whole chilembwe story.and what was he a prophet to say kuti kamuzu was next ?i think it was all cooked up to fit the whole kamuzu issue.make it easy for us to 'understand "

nyuwani · Newbie

John Chilembwe with his wife, Ida, and daughter, Emma, in a photograph probably taken between 1910 and 1914. Chilembwe's image also appears on the obverse of Malawian banknotes printed between 1994 and 2000.The man in question, quite stylish if I may say!!!!Didnt even know he had a son, whaterver happened to the son and Wife???

nyuwani · Newbie

nyuwani wrote:

John Chilembwe with his wife, Ida, and daughter, Emma, in a photograph probably taken between 1910 and 1914. Chilembwe's image also appears on the obverse of Malawian banknotes printed between 1994 and 2000.The man in question, quite stylish if I may say!!!!Didnt even know he had a son, whaterver happened to the son and Wife???

OOOPs Daughter!!!!

game · Guru

thanks nyuwani now thats a true son of malawi,the father and founder fits him best but he never get the credit he deserves.and nothing is said about the where abouts of his daughter.

madolo · Newbie

amalawi we did this to our selves,we let that man who was a foreighner to miss treat us for along time.there was no question about it.the man couldent even carry a conversation in chichewa.i think it took too long for us to get rid of that man.

micahj3k · Member

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ok thats not aimed at no one

i just felt like expressing that.

Che Pensulo · Newbie

naa it wasn't worth it at al... geez ! remember one martyrs' day we had to let the dogs out so that the boys in red will not attempt to stop by our house... I was so afraid that I went under ma bed, thinkin 'damn! this is it...we al goin down' Everyone in the house couldnt move an inch or cough till they left... **** sum crazy old days!

Nali · Member

When I read this I was really disappointed. It seems that we black people have forgotten that to be where we are as black people our fathers and mothers had to fight for it. Many sacrifices were made. People were persecuted, tortured, we were the inferior race. Black people were looked upon as animals. Others had to leave their beloved countries and go and live in exile in countries where blacks were looked upon as monkeys, something exotic to look as. Families were separated. Others even lost their lives.

What we are today is thanks to the self-sacrifice these people made. They were brave, courageous. They sacrificed everything for their children and we are these children living the dream of Martin Luther King jnr. We must not take what we have for granted.

Are you telling me one day of the year to remember these heroes is a torture. Chilembwe is one of those heroes. He was not the only one who fought against colonialism in Malawi there were many, but just like any struggle it had to have a name and a face. Chilembwe was the perfect candidate for this. Our heroes and heroines have to be remembered. There have to be a special day to remind a nation of what happened. Our children have to know about it so that they can prevent the same thing from happening again.

The lives of the freedom fighters and their personal achievements must be remembered long after the world has forgotten the evils of colonialism, racial segregation and Apartheid.

Where-ever you are look at your life, your children and ask your-self was it worth it? Those of you studying at Universities imagine how it was like for the first black student there.

TT · Veteran Member

I NEVER SAID CHILEMBWE IS NOT A HERO.THE GUY WAS GOOD BUT THE WAY WE WERE MADE TO REMEMBER THIS DAY WAS WRONG.THIS DAY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A CELEBRATION NOT A MOURNING DAY.WHILST WE WERE REMEMBERING PPLE THAT FOUGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS ,OUR RIGHTS WERE VIOLATED AS WELL. DID YOU KNOW WE WERER NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO TRAVEL.SO IMMAGINE YOU GET SICK AND YOU ARE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO GO TO A STATE HOSPITAL FOR THAT MATTER .

OF COURSE THE STRUGGLE ,LIBERATED US BUT WE DIDNT HAVE TO FEEL GUILTY ABOUT IT

Che Pensulo · Newbie

Nali wrote:

Are you telling me one day of the year to remember these heroes is a torture. Chilembwe is one of those heroes. He was not the only one who fought against colonialism in Malawi there were many, but just like any struggle it had to have a name and a face. Chilembwe was the perfect candidate for this. Our heroes and heroines have to be remembered. There have to be a special day to remind a nation of what happened.

NO one day of rememberin heroes aint a torture....but how it was remembered was a torture..I personally didnt mind the plays on radio...but being told that noone is to b seen travellin even if it was very important...THEN THAT WAS TORTURE !! Jus like TT has pointed out, u couldnt even go to the hospital ... n that wasnt fair at all. There was no need for the whole country to stand stil jus for rememberin Chilembwe... Yea I respect him fighting against colonialism, but kamuzu had no right to torture us the way he did in rememberin chilembwe.

game · Guru

nali

chilembwe was a braveheart,educated in america courtesy of Rev booth.while in america he witnessed racism first hand this kind of segregation was nothing compared to what malawians went through,our fathers were treated like animals and yet they were not a minority,white people riding on their backs like horses,being shot at from trees in mistaken identity thinking they were monkeys.the most painful thing was that this was our country and the white man was a stranger but he had the guts to rule over us.chilembwe deplored this ill act and mobilised an army of patriotic freedom fighters.

some weak minds snitched on him many times,this almost destroyed his soul but the man had the purse of steel,he bounced back like round ball and got the best of javis livingstone,go to chiradzulu you will see his grave after being beheaded,you cant defeat the system if your made of weak substance,chilembwe possessed leadership qualities and had good communication skills which helped him set up a dialogue with the colonialists but they didnt want a round table with him thats why he gave them the taste of their own medicine.

now after his death alot of scholars from the likes of levi mumba,charles matinga started the nyasaland national congress after the native assorciations but these were not effective enough,came kamuzu who got the country on a silver platter because the only torture he received was going to Gweru prison other than that it was plain sailing for him.he made his bloodyself president for life,gave himself hard hitting nicknames like the destroyer of federation,the lion of malawi,the Ngwazi,he created this big illusion like he was the untouchable,made the third of march a day which every malawian feared.with stupid prediction like he was the messiah and chilembwe was like isaiah,if you can define the irony here he regarded chilembwe as an inferior hero compared to him.

Date: Mar 9, 2006

TT wrote:

WHILST WE WERE REMEMBERING PPLE THAT FOUGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS ,OUR RIGHTS WERE VIOLATED AS WELL

Talk about irony...