Intelligent people

Nali · Member

Intelligent people

game · Guru

nali

and in what category do you fall in,just curious no offence.

abre les ojos · Guru

Since you are accusing some people of being in your category one you might as well have the courage of your convictions and say who you're talking about. No need saying "some people". You might as well go all out.

The reason I'm saying that is simple. Since you are the one making this observation you automatically open yourself to being placed in one of your own categories (?). The question is which?

Also, there's no such thing as claiming to be intelligent when we are all strangers and all we know about each other is what we put up here. So in all fairness, we have to judge one simply by the way we express ourselves here. Even as subjective as "intelligence" is we can simply deduce that those who actually have something to say other than just rhetoric and abuse are "intelligent". One simply can't pretend to be intelligent. You're either it or you're not. If you know stuff you are, if you don't you're not.

I think your definition should be about arrogance and not intelligence. Some of the most intelligent people on earth are extremely arrogant, proud, even unpleasant even. Malcolm X for instance. And me. I'm arrogant. And I'm also the first to beat my own drum. I actually know I'm not dumb - Now that's arrogance!!!

(The last statement was meant as a joke)..

NCHEWA · Newbie

your article is very profound. I also think that no one is completely dumb. There are many things that a person who has not achieved academically can contribute to the society. A person can also be intelligent without being assesed by some group of intelllectuals .

very interesting.

Lady B · Senior Member

Nali I would enjoy reading your views on intelligence (human intelligence).

Can intelligence be measured or determined ?

A person’s IQ (intelligence quotient) is the ratio of tested mental age to chronological age; a measure of a person's intelligence as indicated by an intelligence test. Can an IQ test conclude which human is smarter when compared with another individual? If intelligence has some sort of measurement, it winds-up indicating that intellect can equal zero. Is it possible for a person to have “zero” intelligence?

In my opinion, I think that an IQ test just illustrates how well a person can do certain subjects such as math or how well the brain processes certain tasks such as pattern recognition. But why does that mean that people who can comprehend certain material on the IQ test better than others indicate they are smarter?

Is a brilliant philosopher smarter than an astounding mathematician?

Is Amadeus Mozart, with an IQ of 185, more intelligent than you? Is Isaac Newton?

Is a Harvard graduate brighter than a high school dropout?

Intelligence is the faculty of thought and reason. However, thought and reason are limitless and immeasurable.

Intelligence is determined by your capacity to acquire and apply knowledge. Each person has a life span. Throughout their life they acquire unique knowledge that differs from every individual. A college graduate might have more knowledge in school subjects (i.e., math) compared to a dropout. However, if the two of them have existed the same amount of time, each have extremely different experiences acquired throughout their life. “Life experience” for each person is interpreted and applied to their knowledge. So how can one person’s knowledge be deemed more valuable or superior to another’s?

What is your opinion? I'm too unintelligent to figure it out. . .

whats your take

*Kiss*

Nali · Member

lady b

Intelligence for me is the ability to think in a logical way about things. It is not sitting in a classroom and mastering the periodic table, it is using your experience and try and make sense of the world with it. To me experience is very important, it is knowledge of things acquired in ones life time. How things were done before, how are they being done now and how are they going to be done in the future? One has to go back to the old days before schools, how was intelligence determined then? In our time intelligence is determined by the level of ones education. I feel that their are many people out there who are able to think rational in other case who are intelligent but because of their circumstances they never prospered. Some of us have got difficulties with science subjects but we are good in other subjects or other things.

You are one of those people who are fortunate. Who are intelligent but also knows that others out there are intelligent as well. Everyday we are all experiencing different things and these experiences makes us unique and wiser. What you are experiencing I am totally ignorant of it. I might read a lot of books, watch bbc news, read the papers but it is totally different as to one who has experienced it.

I read in one of our local papers about a study that was conducted to try to proove that Smart people make smart babies or children. In other case meaning that if one is a doctor then his children will also end up becoming doctors or university graduates because it runs in the genes. I thought this was total bull****. I feel that children from poor backgrounds if they had the money or support could easily become doctors or university graduates.

Nali · Member

game wrote:

nali and in what category do you fall in,just curious no offence.

Game I know that I have my weaknesses. But I am aware that I am no more intelligent than you are. I know that we all see things differently. Some people take time to grasps the same concept others are quick thinkers. I see life as a learning experience. Education to me it never stops. I like it when people have different ideas to mine it challenges me and it makes me want to know more. Now its up to you to judge which category I fall in.

-- Edited by Nali at 01:54, 2005-12-13

game · Guru

nali.

i cannot be the judge because you have tried to define intelligence in the context you think it should be defined.to me if am able to understand my errors of judgement and acknowledge them that means am a little intelligent.the art to diagonise life vividly to me is intelligence.if i can apply my knowledge without contradiction,am intelligent.just never mistake wisdom for intelligence,these are two different things.king solomon was given wisdom but he intelligently put it to practice.

firstbendman · Senior Member

If am not mistaken,in his/her initial posting, the author categorize intelligent people into two classes: Arrogant or narrow-minded (stuck-up minds) and open-minded.

Although the author seems to have problems with the first group, he/she never accused anybody of belonging to any group. Your contribution on this forum will categorize your ass.

And although I agree with Nchewa, that nobody is completely dumb. Nali never mentioned anything to that extend. The title of the posting speak for itself. Its either you belong to one of the two classes or youre out.

I agree with Nali on these categories. And usually, people in the first group, they either deny belonging there or they dont think themselves as arrogant.

These classes can be sub-categorise, though.

Later,

Mayor.

abre les ojos · Guru

Yes but what I was trying to insinuate was that arrogance is not synonymous with intelligence. In fact is more likely to be a prerequisite of it. Read Oscar Wilde or Bernard Shaw or TS Eliot and their arrogance is obvious in their writings. There is also arrogance that is based on stupidity and ignorance and that is dangerous. i.e. George Bush.

Lady B · Senior Member

Nali

Do you think intelligence is subjective? am I am correct if i say that all knowledge is within each of our brains, it doesn't mean that there is no matter. The one and the other do not negate each other?

whats your Take ??

*Kiss*

Lady B · Senior Member

abre les ojos wrote:

Yes but what I was trying to insinuate was that arrogance is not synonymous with intelligence. In fact is more likely to be a prerequisite of it. Read Oscar Wilde or Bernard Shaw or TS Eliot and their arrogance is obvious in their writings. There is also arrogance that is based on stupidity and ignorance and that is dangerous. i.e. George Bush.

Abre dont you think that nothing is objective in the entirety of the word. All things we experience are tainted with our bias. But there can be objectivity in the sense that you can make subjective experience objectified to others. If there was no objectivity there we would have no means of communicating experience or even of communicating in general. No one has come up with an all-encompassing explanation for how to view reality, so we can only continue to advance our objectifications of our subjective experiences

Whats your take ?

*Kiss*

abre les ojos · Guru

"Subjectivity is objective" or so the saying goes...And you're right too.

Come to think of it it's simply a product of our consciousness. The very build of our conscious minds result in a subjective reality where things are open to interpretation. There is truth, yes. Universal truth like the laws of science that work the same in Australia as they do in Nepal. Gravity doesn't need us to percieve it to exist. The earth would still revolve around the sun even if we all pray that it shouldn't. Subjectivity on therefore in human relations/behavior. No where else. That is the basis of religion and philosphy...

TJ · Member

There have been calls on this forum advising that just because you are a member of this forum it doesn't mean you have to contribute on each and every topic. Since we cannot be jacks or jills of all trades some of us go to great lengths to steal other people's work and present it as our own on this forum.

See below a contribution by an Armenian who calls him or herself 'Wise' which was posted on their equivalent of Malawiana on 28 Feb 2004:

Intelligence

I would enjoy reading your views on intelligence (human intelligence).

Can intelligence be measured or determined?

A person’s IQ (intelligence quotient) is the ratio of tested mental age to chronological age; a measure of a person's intelligence as indicated by an intelligence test. Can an IQ test conclude which human is smarter when compared with another individual? If intelligence has some sort of measurement, it winds-up indicating that intellect can equal zero. Is it possible for a person to have “zero” intelligence?

In my opinion, I think that an IQ test just illustrates how well a person can do certain subjects such as math or how well the brain processes certain tasks such as pattern recognition. But why does that mean that people who can comprehend certain material on the IQ test better than others indicate they are smarter?

Is a brilliant philosopher smarter than an astounding mathematician?

Is Amadeus Mozart, with an IQ of 185, more intelligent than you? Is Isaac Newton?

Is a Harvard graduate brighter than a high school dropout?

Intelligence is the faculty of thought and reason. However, thought and reason are limitless and immeasurable.

Intelligence is determined by your capacity to acquire and apply knowledge. Each person has a life span. Throughout their life they acquire unique knowledge that differs from every individual. A college graduate might have more knowledge in school subjects (i.e., math) compared to a dropout. However, if the two of them have existed the same amount of time, each have extremely different experiences acquired throughout their life. “Life experience” for each person is interpreted and applied to their knowledge. So how can one person’s knowledge be deemed more valuable or superior to another’s?

What is your opinion? I'm too unintelligent to figure it out. . .

Wise, 28 February 2004 (My emphasis)

abre les ojos · Guru

Erm.... So what's your point exactly. That that was plagiarised? So what, we all do it. Originality is undetected plagiarism (even that quote I plagiarised).

As for the calls "advising" that members should not contribute to each and every topic, I think that is the dumbest, stupidest thing I've ever heard. Who cares. Who cares! If you have nothing to say, don't say it and PLEASE don't knock those that do. A buch of us are highly opinionated and have time on our hands to type away all day long. Its exercise for our minds to think and give out opinions and challenge others. If you can't hack it go watch MTV base and leave it for those who have the cranial capacity for intellectual discourse.

And another thing. The moderator of this forum I'm sure isn't complaining. I wonder why you do...