the dark side of malawiana

game · Guru

the dark side of malawiana

Tutu · Member

Thumbs up to the webmaster of Malawiana for at least trying to weed out some of the nonsense-mud-slinging-rhetotic we sometimes see on this forum. Such type of cheap talk should go where in exactly belongs "manong'onong'o".

There is nothing wrong with a little bit of censorship if is directed at protecting the vulnerable who ,sometimes, because of their standing in society and moral principles can not allow themselves to engange in cheap talk done mostly online by some cowards who hide behind the disguises of screen names. I bet you most of these people who sound tough and smart are in fact cowards in real life.

If the USA - the self proclaimed leader in democracy- can censor then why not Malawiana? What about Dawnism and the evolution theory vs the USA education system. http://www.nature.com/embor/journal/v5/n7/full/7400196.html

JRC · Member

game wrote:

friends. just when i thought this forum was going through the age of transparency and freedom of expression,the ngumuya topics that were being discussed have been wiped out and erased again,i thought people on forums can discuss anything of interest without being shut down inappropriately.am not asking for the topics to be put back but at least an explanation to why whoever is responsible of this site took them off. if the topics were based on lies then its a good gesture to rid of them,we are not here to tarnish or discredit others but to share ideas in different ways,this is the only medium malawians from all over the world can get together and share the gossip.evidently the ngumuya story was not fabricated and its a pity that someone probably knows ngumuya personally and felt the need to protect him from the blunders and embarrassement of his miscalculated actions.its time malawians learned their rights,you cannot spend the rest of your life protecting people from their own weaknesses.

The owners of Malawilistings took offense by some of the entries that referred to them as someone they have no knowledge of. So to avoid further misunderstandings and confrontations I decided to remove the topic of discussion altogether. Please accept my apologies for the inconvience my decison may have caused to all concerned parties.

abre les ojos · Guru

Tutu,

I've been following the topic you raised with great interest for about a year now and I find it absolutely astounding how America is actually going backwards in time. Someone once said the America was the only country to go from barbarism to decadence without passing through civilisation.

Unfortunately, the present political situation in America has produced powerful lobby groups that are all coming out of the woodwork and flexing their ignorant muscle in the name of so-called democracy. They have helped create a situation that is begining to look (at least from the outside) a lot like a Taliban-style regime - with it's religious ideology, tourture and gradual fading away of civil liberties.

It is a worrying situation eice America is all so powerful but also can be the sympton of a more deep-rooted malaise. The fact that it is actually an empire in decline.

Although I would not bother to reiterate the contents of the argument on Darwinism and Creationism - I'm sure there are a lot of people here who would come out of the woodwork just to curse me - the fact still stands that this is an argument about science and religion. Politicised religion.

game · Guru

tutu.

you really have a chronic inability to maintain a debate,i thought people in america are the ones who bring this cheap talk on this forum,and all we do is contribute when necessary.whats sad is you think ngumuya is vulnerable and his position in society makes him immune to criticism,i really question your inteligence on that.here is my question to you,if his moral principles can not allow him to engange in cheap talk on line why did he stoop so low on national television or newspaper and rip into fellow malawians because they have different jobs to his?no offence tutu but some things are a subject to discussion period.

Tutu · Member

game wrote:

tutu. you really have a chronic inability to maintain a debate,i thought people in america are the ones who bring this cheap talk on this forum,and all we do is contribute when necessary.whats sad is you think ngumuya is vulnerable and his position in society makes him immune to criticism,i really question your inteligence on that.here is my question to you,if his moral principles can not allow him to engange in cheap talk on line why did he stoop so low on national television or newspaper and rip into fellow malawians because they have different jobs to his?no offence tutu but some things are a subject to discussion period.

It really shows your level of intellectual maturity when you try to present your argument by using the principle of "divide and rule". By classifying contributers to this forum according to the continent where they currently reside, you are subconsciously trying to get sympathy from those who reside in your region. In case you have forgotten the WWW knows no boundaries. That said my applauding the webmaster for removing the article had nothing to do with Ngumuya per se but I was basically looking at the whole picture of the tendency of some of us trying to use this forum as the media for hearsay and unfounded allegations. I think it is ok to debate about such things as long as we stay within the course of decency, and reason logically and objectively. But what we often see is name calling, biased thinking and mostly utter nonsense. Obviously most of you think that by using bad language and swear words then your argument will be heard better but that just proves to other people that you are ignorant and most of all can not argue in an educated manner.

Tutu · Member

abre les ojos wrote:

Tutu, I've been following the topic you raised with great interest for about a year now and I find it absolutely astounding how America is actually going backwards in time. Someone once said the America was the only country to go from barbarism to decadence without passing through civilisation. Unfortunately, the present political situation in America has produced powerful lobby groups that are all coming out of the woodwork and flexing their ignorant muscle in the name of so-called democracy. They have helped create a situation that is begining to look (at least from the outside) a lot like a Taliban-style regime - with it's religious ideology, tourture and gradual fading away of civil liberties. It is a worrying situation eice America is all so powerful but also can be the sympton of a more deep-rooted malaise. The fact that it is actually an empire in decline. Although I would not bother to reiterate the contents of the argument on Darwinism and Creationism - I'm sure there are a lot of people here who would come out of the woodwork just to curse me - the fact still stands that this is an argument about science and religion. Politicised religion.

One thing I have come to realise is that this government is hypocritical. They preach and have laws about separation of religion and state, meaning that government institution should have nothing to do with religion and to a greater extent they have managed to do just that. However, they are number of things that are lacking in this context of the law. For example stem cell research and the government's red tape based on ethical grounds (religion in disguse) and of course the evolution theory and the government's continued refusal to incorporate it in the school carriculum. The list goes on and on including no alcohol sales on Sundays. I am sure the wise people who made sepation of state from religion law had very good reasons to pass this as a law but on the contrary what we are seeing is the government ignoring its own laws.

Abre, I have followed your arguments and I must say you mostly make sense because your reasoning is objective and you do not jump into band wagons. Even though I am religious, I still have more questions than answers about religion and most of the answers that I get are rather vague and just prompts further questioning. But religion is not known for encouraging questioning. You are seen as a true religious person if you just take everything for truth and practice whatever they tell you. It almost becomes laughable when you start doing research about religion and begin to find out how meaning and interpretations have changed over time , yet every generation believes that what they have currently is the gospel truth. Nevertheless, the truth of the matter is: it is not. Politics and other factors played a big role in shaping the religions that we have today.

I know my little argument has angered a few of you and I do not blame you because you are like the majority of the believers who have and will never question their belief. Nothing wrong with that but a little research can be an eye opener. You have the internet at your disposal and take full advantage of this marvelous invention. My own research has so far lead me to conclude that there is indeed a superior being out there but it is the various religions that have distorted most facts to accomodate their own thinking.

abre les ojos · Guru

I agree with you except for one point. Research cannot lead to conclude the existence of a supreme being. On the contrary it would logically lead you the oposite direction towards scepticism. Fact is research produces evidence. Verifyable evidence that can be cross-checked, compared, analysed. Religion - or the belief in a supernatural is the absolute opposite of these things. Apart from that I could not agree with you more.

Freud once said that the belief in a superior being was linked to the "father figure" of our childhood. I mean the fact that we even call God, father. God, is just an extension of that. Well, whether one agrees with him or not his ideas were psycho-analytical in terms of understanding the thought processes that quantify religion.

In terms of the situation in the US. In most of Europe people find the present America frightening, if not a little bit loony. I mean we thought Reagan was bad, but Bush? I believe it would probably take more than 2 generations to wipe away the damamge done by this regime.

jolene · Newbie

bwanji umangofuna kutsutsa nthawi zonse

abre les ojos · Guru

jolene wrote:

bwanji umangofuna kutsutsa nthawi zonse

Because I like to prove that to every idea there is an opposing one and that right and wrong can be awfully subjective. One should check oneself if one bows to credulity all the time.

Ayatollah · Senior Member

abre les ojos wrote:

I agree with you except for one point. Research cannot lead to conclude the existence of a supreme being. On the contrary it would logically lead you the oposite direction towards scepticism. Fact is research produces evidence. Verifyable evidence that can be cross-checked, compared, analysed. Religion - or the belief in a supernatural is the absolute opposite of these things. Apart from that I could not agree with you more. Freud once said that the belief in a superior being was linked to the "father figure" of our childhood. I mean the fact that we even call God, father. God, is just an extension of that. Well, whether one agrees with him or not his ideas were psycho-analytical in terms of understanding the thought processes that quantify religion. In terms of the situation in the US. In most of Europe people find the present America frightening, if not a little bit loony. I mean we thought Reagan was bad, but Bush? I believe it would probably take more than 2 generations to wipe away the damamge done by this regime.

Scepticism? Verifyable? Oh my .....

abre les ojos · Guru

Ooops. Sorry, I've always been a bad speller. Is "speller" even a word"? I've become complacent with spell-checks in Windows. Thanks for correcting it. However, I think scepticism is correct.

Wait a minute mr. "going up the corporate ladder" .Don't you have board meetings to attend? Seems to me a reckless waste of your valuable hours doing reading through posts and picking out errors!

game · Guru

abre.

dont give him the attention you sure know his illness,ayatollah doesnt know that people with poor eye sight make so many spelling mistakes,it all comes down to his childhood when he was sexually abused by his uncle who made him suck his python hard,its so disturbing no wonder his anger is directed at no particular direction.lets just give him the oh!poor boy attention and he will calm down.

abre les ojos · Guru

game wrote:

abre.
dont give him the attention you sure know his illness,ayatollah doesnt know that people with poor eye sight make so many spelling mistakes,it all comes down to his childhood when he was sexually abused by his uncle who made him suck his python hard,its so disturbing no wonder his anger is directed at no particular direction.lets just give him the oh!poor boy attention and he will calm down.

Ha ha. You just know how to make my day. I almost choked on my dinner!!!