What is this world comin to??

jones_1 · Veteran Member

What is this world comin to??

abre les ojos · Guru

I GUESS THE QUSTION IS... IS HE ANY BETTER THAT MULUZI. NO. I REALISE NOW THAT THEY ARE CUT FROM THE SAME CLOTH. THIS GOVT. CRACK DOWN ON CORRUPTION IS A POLITICAL WITCHUNT. NOT ANY DIFFERENT FROM MULUZI'S ATTACK ON THE KAMUZU'S CREW. I ALSO REMEMBER IT WAS LED BY ANOTHER POLITICAL APPOINTED DPP.

SAME SCRIPT, DIFFERENT CAST. DON'T THINK IT EXTREME WHEN I SAY THAT POLITICAL LEADERSHIP IN AFRICA IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN WEAK AND RIDICULOUSLY INEPT AND NOTHING SHORT OF TOTAL REVOLUTION ACROSS THE CONTINENT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

Lady B · Senior Member

IS IT NOT INSULTING TO THE INTELLIGENCE OF THE MALAWIAN PEOPLE FOR A POLITICAL CANDIDATE / PRESIDENT TO CONTINUE TO LIE /AND A BUSE OUR COUNTRY AND ITS PEOPLE ?

IS BEING A LIAR/AND ABUSER NOW A VIRTUE?

SHOULD A WE LET OUR COUNTRY GO DOWN LIKE THIS IN THE HANDS OF THESE LYING PEOPLE?

SHOULD WE LET THE SO CALLED GOVERNMENT DESTROY MALAWI FROM WITHIN, WITHOUT ANY BULLETS FIRED?

I MUST SAY I MISS THE KAMUZU DAYS

*Kiss*

abre les ojos · Guru

EVEN THOUGH IT IS FITTING TO CONDEMN THIS PRESENT PRESIDENT LET US NOT BE MISGUIDED BY THE NOSTALGIA OF KAMUZU'S PERIOD. THE RULE BY FEAR AND EXTREME CENSORSHIP. THE REGIEME KILLED A LOT OF DESSENTERS AND EXILED OR IMPRISONED THE REST. HE WAS DESPICABLY WICKED. TOGETHER WITH JZU AND THE REST.

DON'T FORGET THE DAYS WHEN SOME MORON IN A UNIFORM COULD SLAP YOU IN THE FACE (SPEAKING THROUGH EXPERIENCE) BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE PARTY REG. CARD. NOT TO MENTION THE FEAR PEOPLE HAD TO CRITICISE THE GOVT. EVEN BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

THE NEGATIVE EFFECT OF KAMUZU IS SELF-EVIDENT IN THE MALAWI PSYCHE. YOU ONLY HAVE TO READ THE MAJORITY OF POSTS IN THIS FORUM TO GAUGE HOW DEEP IT RUNS. A MIXTURE OF BLIND PATRIOTISM AND MISGUIDED SELF-AWARENESS, COUPLED WITH OBSTINATE ATAVISTISM. IT IS SIMPLY A RESULT OF LIVING IN AN OPRESSED, CENSORED, FEAR BASED SOCIETY FOR SO LONG. THE DAMAGE HAS BEEN DONE AND IT'S UP TO THIS GENERATION TO BREAK THAT CYCLE. IT IS IMPORTANT TO EXORCISE THE DEMONS (FORGIVE MY RELIGIOUS ANALOGIES) OF THE PAST AND NEAR PRESENT. THE PRESENT RULERS ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO TERRORISED MALAWI IN THE PAST. THE SAME OLD MENTALITIES. DO WE WAIT FOR THEM TO DIE OUT WHILE THEY SELL OUT OUR COUNTRY TO THE WEST FOR 30 PIECES OF SILVER (AGAIN THE ANALOGY STINGS)? OR DO WE PUSH THEM ASIDE AND REPLACE WITH A PROGRESSIVE, SELF CONFIDENT, NEW-BREED OF CORRUPT FREE, NON-FEEBLE MINDED GREED MONGERS?

game · Guru

guys

as i said before on this forum, Bingu and his party are the best of the bad and rotten bunch of malawi politictians.its time for the young generation to move in,we can destroy and rebuild a new and transparent malawi if we can stick together call me a dreamer but i think anything is possible if we unite.Bingu is a conniving liar,who came through the back door and became president.

The young people can start their own struggle and in a matter of time these old wrinkled minds will be in the dust bin of history.for how long will the people of malawi be terrorised by the same old politictians who saw the back of colonialists 40 years ago,when Bingu appeared on the scene of malawi politics he worked out a strategy that deceived malawians,he decapitated all his opponents in a move to stop corruption when he was only leveling the field for smooth running of his evil plan.

if we join hands his first term will be his ides of march,then he will see daggers flying from all corners,all these politictians have a distinct version of likeness to each other,when they are faced with a challenge they all run for cover,am not including the challenge they get from the legistrature which they manipulate but from the outside force they dont have a clue about.so if the generation of young and capable malawians abroad can mobilise and embark on a journey wreck and havoc all the systems that operate to protect the corruptors we can win back our coutry and make it a better place.

Black Panther · Senior Member

Is it insulting to the intelligence of the Malawian people for Presidents to lie etc...well apparently the Malawian people never do anything about it so maybe it is right in line with the intelligence of the Malawian people - lets face it - we are a nation of all talk and not action and where no one takea accountability - weather Bingu is in fact doing a witch hunt or not thefact remains that the crimes were committed by those people- lets not forget that.

jones_1 · Veteran Member

i must say,i am one of the malawians who got deceived by this president,cos as much as we knew that his victory was questionable,we atleast gave him a chance after hearin the plans he had for our country!!

little did we know......!

im sure that maybe i wouldnt have been much affected if i knew that these people are all the same!!he is the same person talkin about tightenin our belts on expenditures!and now this????

ayi ndithu!!! i think we (the youth)should do something about this!!! we really need new blood in the government!!

hehee paja AYATOLLA is a candidate for 2009!!!!!

Black Panther · Senior Member

Again though- your post said 'its been rumoured' - perhaps we shouldnt be too quick to believe it- rumours may have come from the political opponents - So far the WB is putting theri faith in our president - we should too. Until there is hard evidence or corroborating evidence supporting this rumour- lets have faith for a change- Its pretty hard to hide a Mybach in Malawi - is he going to keep it in his garage and vever driv it in the streets- the truth will come out ~ but till then lets be objective about the rumour ...

abre les ojos · Guru

AS TO SOMETHING THAT BLACKPANTHER IMPLIED. ABOUT THOSE WITCH-HUNTED POLITICIANS HAVING ACTUALLY COMMITED CRIMES.

POLITICALLY MOTIVATED WITCH-HUNTING IS COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE. IT ONLY BREEDS NEPOTISM AND CRONYISM. A GREAT PROBLEM IN AFRICAN POLITICS. PEOPLE START TAKING SIDES, SCREWING EACH OTHER AND GETTING THEIR HANDS ALL BLODDY AND DIRTY, JUST TO AVOID GETTING PROSECUTED. NOW OUT OF THE POLICIANS THAT HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH CORRUPTION, HOW MANY CONVICTIONS HAVE THEY SECURED? THE ANSWER IS SOMEWHERE AROUND ZERO TO ONE. AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THIS WOULD DIE OUT SOON ENOUGH.

YES CORRUPTION IS EVERYWHERE. IT IS THE VERY ESSENCE OF POLITICS. BUT STEALING FROM THE GOVT. COFFERS IS WHERE I WOULD DRAW THE LINE. DIVERTING HEALTH CARE FUNDS TO BUT A NEW CONVOY IS IMMORAL. BUT IF WE ARE TO HAVE A TRUE DEMOCRACY, FORGET ABOUT THE WESTERN KIND, POWER SHOULD BE IN THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE. AWAY FROM EVEN PARLIAMENT. WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR CHIEFS? THEY ARE THE TRUE AFRICAN REPRESENTATIVE PARTIES.

A SYSTEM IS NEEDED WHERE THE JUDICIARY IS EVEN MORE POWERFUL THAN THE RULING PARTY AND NOT JUST A WING FOR POLITICALLY LED PROSECUTIONS. WITH ALL THE POVERTY AND DISCONTENT IN MALAWI WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW A DEMONSTRATION? HUH? MAYBE THE TRUTH IS MALAWIANS AT HOME DON'T CARE WHETHER BINGU OWNS 5 PRIVATE JETS (KAMUZUISM EFFECT) AND JUST WANT FOOD ON THE TABLE. IS IT IGNORANCE OR APATHY? YOU TELL ME

NYASALAND · Senior Member

ZIKOMO ABALE NONSE PABWALO PANO!

Ine sichitsiru yayi , ndapita ndithu komabe pokhala veteran pabwalo pano ndazibweza pangono chabe chifukwa cha nkhani yatulukai yokhuza wolemekezeka a Bingu. You have no good intekligence in your head about himslf Bingo. Mwawerenga tinkhani tapa internet basi mwati ndale muluzisatila za kuno eti . I we Game chenjera zedi ndi kutukwana kwako. Kodi iweyo ndi yani. Uli ndi chiani iwe. Gwape iwe.

Iyayi , ndili wachisoni kuwuzidwa kuti nose achinyaata achisodzeranu sumludziwa zomwe kuno zikuchitika za ndale . Nonsenu mlukamba zamaluwa , bwanji kodi.? Inu mudathawa kuno kutsatila zachiyoo. Inu mulibe mphamvu yoyamba kutukwana wolemekzeka a Bingu. Inu choyamba simudavote. Chachitatu inu simukhala kuno , ndinu a kamchacha. Ndale za Bingu sumulidziwa. Zonse mulukambapa nzopanda pake . Zdiwani izi: muli ndi human free zokamba za azungu wanuo osati za kuno. Tisiyileni wathu Bingu mwamvetsa. Chete .......

Ine sindichoka pano ngati mwayamba zopanda pake, Inu pakati pa kawalala uyu Bakili , zedi nkusankhatula amey Mulizi the stealer?Who are yu . stop now .

GWAN · Member

"RE: What is this world comin to??" More like "Where is Malawi going?". There's a clarification to this Maybach story.Apparently no Maybach has been ordered.Govt just has 'quotations'. That's if Goodall Gondwe is to be believed.

And I read elsewhere that in fact Govt is gonna use insurance money (off a Merc Muluzi wrote off in an accident last year) to finance the purchase of the new limo.But then why 3 limos?

And what bad timing ! The 'Masters' are meeting in Gleaneagles.We want our debt cancelled.And we are contemplating buying state of the art limos !

The Prez does not need a new car.I think Kamuzu burdened us with loads of cars we don't need any way !

If our Prez and his cohorts want to be the Nouveau Maybach Tribesmen [apologies to Ngugi wa Thiong'o !], we simply don't have the money for it !

We are a country

...with an annual revenue of USD800 million...[loads of individuals are richer than us !]

...where 85% of our people are extremely poor; living on less than USD1 a day...

...where 15% of the adult population (15-49) is HIV positive...[2001 figures and rising]

...where 15% adult HIV/AIDS prevalence translates into 740,000 people...[2001 figures and rising]

...where 17,000 people have access to free ARVs...[2004 figures and stagnating]

...where 80,000 people die every year from HIV/AIDS...[2001 figures and rising]

...with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world...[the figures are rising]

In fact the figures are just sickening.

In his own Budget Speech, The Prez emphasised fiscal discipline if Malawi is gonna achieve an economic turnaround.This was reiterated by Goodall Gondwe in his Budget Statement. Maybachs.Fiscal Discipline. It's not adding up.

Kamuzu days.Some have made the succinct point already.And I will add:To even think of Kamuzu days [including nights!!] today is SYCOPHANTICAL NOSTALGIA [if there's such a word as SYCOPHANTICAL] ! Those are days never to be 'lived' AGAIN. Unless you were part of the Infamous Trio. I was not.

-- Edited by GWAN at 17:11, 2005-06-16

-- Edited by GWAN at 17:13, 2005-06-16

abre les ojos · Guru

I AGREE WITH THE TERM "SYCOPHANTICAL NOSTALGIA" IT THOROUGHLY DEFINES ANY MISGUIDED YEARNINGS OF THE OLD DAYS OF KAMUZU.

IF ONLY (AND THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING AS WE HAVE NEVER HAD IT IN AFRICA) OUR LEADERS COULD BE MORE PRINCIPLED AND RIDE A NORMAL CAR JUST SO THAT 1 MORE CHILD CAN HAVE MEDICINE TO LIVE, THEN WE HAVE HOPE.

TILL THAT HAPPENS, WE WILL ALWAYS BE POOR. IN FACT THE WESTERN "DONORS" WOULDN'T LIKE A NATIONALIST LEADER ANYWHERE IN AFRICA BECAUSE IT WOULD MEAN WE WILL START TO FIGHT BACK AND THAT WOULD RUIN INVESTEMENT FOR THEM...

Date: Jun 16, 2005

abre les ojos wrote:
"A MIXTURE OF BLIND PATRIOTISM AND MISGUIDED SELF-AWARENESS, COUPLED WITH OBSTINATE ATAVISTISM."

OUCH!! Ha Ha!

Ngwazi · Guru

game wrote:

The young people can start their own struggle and in a matter of time these old wrinkled minds will be in the dust bin of history.for how long will the people of malawi be terrorised by the same old politictians who saw the back of colonialists 40 years ago,when Bingu appeared on the scene of malawi politics he worked out a strategy that deceived malawians,he decapitated all his opponents in a move to stop corruption when he was only leveling the field for smooth running of his evil plan. .....................................................................so if the generation of young and capable malawians abroad can mobilise and embark on a journey wreck and havoc all the systems that operate to protect the corruptors we can win back our coutry and make it a better place.

Game and Forum Members,

indeed its time this generation said enough is enough to these old time politicians,they were there in 1958 when Kamuzu arrived and are still controlling us today.They dont have the welfare of the people at heart hence they are spending those sums on cars when the ordinary Malawian is starving,sleeping without food and lining the streets to watch in awe as they pass with these cars.These politicians are after nothing but personal poverty alleviation,their age makes them not look at the future but on day to day basis.Gwanda is 75,Tembo 78,Bingu 72,Bakili 64 and these are OAP(Old Age Persons),the ones that are given freedom passes by councils to travel free,all they are thinking about is enriching themselves so that when they finally retire they should continue drinking "tea with milk"

The difference between them and us is that we have many years to come(God willing and if you miss the AIDS minibus) and we would not want to be reminded of our failures in 30 years time or spend time in jail for being corrupt whilst we were serving the people of Malawi.We will build a better Malawi that will benefit everyone and not just the select few,I propose that we form a party(seriously guys),the party should target the Youth as the country trully belongs to them(not MR27,thats nothing).We are tired of being told "you are the future leaders or you are the leaders of tomorrow",when is our tomorrow?and again tomorrow never comes!we are tired of watching a select few plunder our economy and enriching themselves when we are meant to share the resources equally.I feel so strong about this that I am even willing to come out in the open with my name,I would not mind telling those who would be interested in such aparty my real name,ndatopa ndi ulemu,ndatopa ndi kundidyela masuku pamutu.I am also proposing the name OPP(Ordinary Peoples Party) in the interim,power to the youth and we can use the Black Panther symbol to show who and what we stand for(with permission from Black Panther of course),any takers?

Black Panther · Senior Member

confirmed!

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/IRIN/c3d495580b0c4cf055f84fcb9b0261bb.htm

If you did the crime pay the crime. political witch hunting is counter productinve yes, that is why they shouldnt just go after certain pple that commited the crime - go after all of them. But dont blame presidents for going after people that did wrong - that is counter productive- the problem is that all these people are still in the system. they just recycle themselves between parties. They need to be standing for ideologies and be loyal to beliefs not to parties. Bingu should not have formed a party , he should have remained an independant if he wanted to fight corruption for real. Part of fighting corruption menas going after friends and enemies. This dont go withc hunting thing is the reason why Idi Amin lives comfortably in Saudi Arabi now - he commited crimes but pple said - oh screw that witch hunting thing and he was allowed to escape - its a ****ty world out there.

-- Edited by Black Panther at 22:49, 2005-06-16

Lady B · Senior Member

We right behind you !!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Kiss*

game · Guru

Ngwazi

i like your stance on issues positive patriotism is all we need count me in.black panther symbol and we have to think of a slogan that will send a clear message.

tembo,gwanda,badada ba chihana,Bingu and all those brainwashed and manipulated minds brace yourselves for the main event in malawi politics,because we are coming.

vyalema.

Black Panther · Senior Member

Ngwazi , you have a good idea on your head- we do need to mobilise - not jsut talk but do it- if people can put away there pride for a moment , Malawi would be at a better place

Hey, isnt that how Banda started his party- they were mobilising in England - making noise fomr out there , until they came home - it is not impossible - the black panther symbol is great b/c it symbolises an african renaissance - a rebirth - and african policy for african by africans - it is our hand that feed us - our hands that kill us- and our hands that can break away the chains - If you decide to use the BP symbol - wear it well.

assasin x · Newbie

Could one be wrong to say that we miss KAMUZU'S reign?I recall telling some friends when it was known that Bingu was running for presidency,this man got the boot from COMESA!Why?And in his defence they said he is an 'economist' and will work to improve our countrys economy.What a load of bollocks!Ever heard of the saying'a leopard does not change its spots'?These people are and will always be the same, period!Conniving,envious,greedy and selfish LIARS!Who is bingu to opt for a mercedes maybach? TONY BLAIR uses a jaguar(not a new model).Every day children are dying in our motherland because of malnutrition and starvation and yet this so called president is splashing on an expensive automobile matching the level of highly paid holloywood movie stars.KAMUZU(RIP) though he had his shortfalls,cared for the people's wellfare.WHEN COMES SUCH ANOTHER?

ANYONE ON THE FORUM UP FOR A REVOLUTION?LETS GET RID OF THEM ALL,ALL OF THEM!!!!

game · Guru

REVOLUTION FOR MALAWIANS LETS GO LADIES AND GENTS.

ON TONY BLAIRS CONVOY THERE IS NO MERCEDES BENZ,ITS JUS OLD MODEL JAGUAS AND POLICE.

SO WHO IS BINGU TO RIDE A MAYBACK.WHAT KIND OF PRESIDENT WATCHES MTV BASE.

NEXT TIME HE WILL BE ROCKIN BLING BLING.

LETS TOPPLE THEM GUYS,I PUT DOWN A THOUSAND POUND FOR THE REVOLUTION.JRC WILL HELP US WITH THE SLOGAN ON THE FRONT OF MALAWIANA WEB PAGE.

assasin x · Newbie

Mark my words Game,'IMPOSSIBLE IS NOTHING',who ever dreamt that kamuzu would ever step down as president?I wont rest untill all these 'chameleon conmen' cum 'politicians' are wiped out of our motherlands face.They dont even deserve a paragraph in our nations history books,their names ought to be scribbled in stinking jail cell walls gallaries!!

All those left by Kamuzu,MUST LEAVE MALAWIAN POLITICS NOW!!They failed to learn from the old master his tricks,there has never been 'new blood' in malawian politics as a matter of fact,it has all been 're-cycled blood' ,which i am yet to hear that it works from scientists.

THIS REVOLUTION WILL BE TELEVISED TO THE WORLD,OH,I MEAN THE G8.

sepusepu · Senior Member

Black P Idi Amini died in 2003 of natural causes.You said that Bingu would have remained independent, as a politician you need support in the parliament and this depends on how many MPs you have in your party. You remember the issue about removing the Inspector General of police.

Members of the furum a big job we have at hand. I do believe that change is something that has to be done systematically. Most people believe that taking these people out of their position is the solution but its only the begining of the journey.

Whether we like it or not these people have some positive contributions to the malawian society. As young people we will have to learn or may have already learned the good stuff from these old timers.

Having said this Sepu sepu is all in. Go Konko

abre les ojos · Guru

ITS ONE THING TO RALLY TO CHANGE A POLITICAL SYSTEM BUT THE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND I.E. THOSE ACTUALLY LIVING IN MALAWI SHOULD WANT IT. AT THE MOMENT THEY SEEM CONTENT TO LIVE MEEKLY. THAT IS WHERE ONE SHOULD START. TO BRING ABOUT A REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE YOU TARGET THEM. CREATE A FEELING OF DISCONTENTMENT (EASY SINCE MALAWIANS ARE HUNGRY ANYWAY) AND LET PROCESS FLOW UPWARDS TO THE POLITICIANS ON THE TOP. I KNOW THIS SOUNDS PRETTY CYNICAL AND DISSPASSIONATE, BUT POLITICS OUGHT TO BE.

IT ONE THING TO HIGHLIGHT POLITICAL CORRUPTION BUT IF THE MASSES ARE NOT ANGRY AND HUNGRY FOR CHANGE, IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. THAT IS WHERE ONE STARTS. IF YOU START AT THE TOP WITHOUT THE BOTTOM ON YOUR SIDE YOU RISK ISOLATING YOURSELF.

game · Guru

fellow members

seeing that we all agree on one objective so far lets think of ways to topple this stupid government of ours,those in america can contact ayatollah and sepu sepu as they are the only ones to come out.think of ways how you can mobilise and meet up to discuss the movement.

people in the uk will contact ngwazi then we can make arrangements how we can meet up to discuss our goals and appoint leadership.lets do this a soon as possible.those who dont have transport dont worry as i can fix up a minibus thats never in use right now for party purposes,if we meet up we can come up with ideas at face value and start loading our armour for a major operation on these corruptors.

lets join hands and cut our egos down to size for the benefit of our generation and our children.these people need an intellectual pinch and ouch so that they can feel our presence.time is running out lets do it before they empty all the coffers and do a runner.

so far we have agreed to use the black panther symbol and Ngwazi came up with the name of our movement as ORDINARY PEOPLES PARTY. dont worry about funding if people see how commited and serious we are like ants we will do the impossible,togetherness is a sign of strength.lets try to put down arms against each other and aim for one goal and one destiny.

please ayatollah, abiti nyono, abre if you are keesoor not,me game,assassin,lady b, black p,sepu,mbili kunjanje, and all those willing to participate in this journey please come forward.we need your intellectuall powers and qualifications.we are going to make a change.

ONE AIM.

Black Panther · Senior Member

Sepu - my bad - i forg ot the Amin died - i remember i was shocked when it happened - but anyways, before he died he was living a life of luxuary.

There are a lot of independants in the Malawi parliament right now - he could have gained there support also. Malawian politicians are simple - when the wind changes - they change too- if he wer to remain independant - Malawians would have been confused about party loyalship they would have had to become independant and would stop sucking up to their parties leaders b/c they would not benefit by getting a position or anything else that they sought - think about the ramifications of having and indep. president in an African govt. that would send the traditional african politics on a different level.

I think that the name ordinary peoples party - is good but lets think long temr about the ramification of that name- naughty by nature had a song out called opp - (yeah u know me) - it would be so easy for journanlists to say we steal , are coruppt etc.. b/c we liveon Other Peoples Property - i vote for a name change - lets brain storm - Party for the Advancemnt of Malawians - PAM, Malawi Peoples Movement - MPM , Malawi Renaissance Party MRP- Free Malawi Party FMP (free malawi from the old blood) he he he - but Sepu has a point a lot of the old bloods are victims of the systmen too - I think there are some old bloods that we can learn from but they must be willing to learn from us - the worst situation we can have is a whole bunch of talented and intellectual people without experience - to make a meanginful change we must all do our part to attain some type of experience in our own worlds - weather it be joining an organisation - non-profit- a college school party etc.. etc... you dont have to be running the show , but u would be there also as an observer.

assasin x · Newbie

What about 'MALAWIAN PEOPLES PARTY',for all malawians who want the best for their motherland?Remember 'WE',malawians,stand out because of our good sense of homour,and we can take it from there and bring back the 'warm heart of Africa'.

GONJESTANI ADANI ONSE.