JRC

money low · Veteran Member

JRC

skillzmanifest · Senior Member

Thats funny. Someone went out of their way just to send you some gay hatemail? What did you say?

Though I live in a society where homos are free to express themselves, I remain unaccepting of the whole "gay ok" thing. I'm fine with bi women, but gay men are sick. I've upset a lot of people when discussing this issue. I guess its because I dont hestitate to use words like fag and queer. I find it somewhat satisfying and amuzing pissing them off. Its an issue that really doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. And now people want to bring it to parliament. Malawi has bigger concerns.

The Sage · Newbie

You see moneylow

When you say horrible words about your fellow human beings, you should be able to take some in return. Look how you are crying out like a bitch, with you large fonts so that people can sympathise with you.

Well, no one cares you homophobic idiot!

JRC · Member

Much as I do not condone such type of language on this forum, I feel that if this hate message was written to you(Money Low) privately through email then it would be beyond my jurisdiction to take the necessary action as regards dealing with the aggressor, in this case, The Sage.

However, purely basing my judgement on the reply by The Base to this article I feel that he has assumed responsibility to writing this unwelcome and unbecoming email which threatens the well being and cordial relationship amongst members that this site tries to maintain. Hence I find it necessary, in order to preserve the integrity of this site and to serve as a lesson to others who can't handle a civilized debate, that The Sage should be banned from this site for two weeks . This decision is subject to review upon reading what other members have to say about this.

Please, guys, don't make my life even harder, as it is I already have enough on my plate.

skillzmanifest · Senior Member

sage actually sent me a private message. He used alot of foul language and even added a threat. And to think, all I said was "shut up". Normally when women act this way, its that time of the month, but I guess fags go through them too. I understand the case with women. The combination of all those strong chemicals with the hormones may alter their mood.But whats the case with fags? Maybe its the frustration from the pain of recieving back shots in efforts of making it feel like the real thing. Then again you would know best, since you seem to have experience in that department.There are fags who even act and prefer to be treated like women.The sad thing about faggots(male homos) is they never reallly are recognised for what they are first; men. And in Malawi, a fag is regarded less of a man-very general statement of which I dont have time to back up, but a spade is a spade.

Frankly, I couldn't care less if I offended you or even hurt your feelings. I'm from Malawi, a place where there is no pride in being gay. A place where the sanctity of what we call a "banja" is strictly between a man and a woman. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Though what I call "Malawian culture" and religion seem to but heads on alot of issues, I'm happy that they both agree with that particular concept. In my country there are different reactions towards this issue, generally not approving.Malawi is still at the stage of asking, "how can a man have such intimate feelings for his fellow man?"(rhetorically speaking).There are others who totally condem it and persecute those who are accused of being gay. I guess I fall into the group of the sick twisted people who find some sort of amuzement in pissing gay people off. I always get the same response, "gay people are people too!"-loser

Lady B · Senior Member

Yes Gay People are People too ,i remember i said that , but in all honesty who are we to Judge. JRC no human being should have any fewer rights than any other human being, nor should anyone have any more rights either.

*Kiss*

Zombie · Newbie

Lady B wrote:

Yes Gay People are People too ,i remember i said that , but in all honesty who are we to Judge. JRC no human being should have any fewer rights than any other human being, nor should anyone have any more rights either.

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The email written by the sage to money low just goes to prove that you gays out there are sick and your minds are very distorted so much that you have lost the ability to evaluate whats real and whats not. The sage should be banned indefinitely from this forum

And you gays out there stop glorifying this nasty repulsive sexual behaviour of yours.

Black Panther · Senior Member

judge pple as individuals, its wrong to attribute somes ones behavior to the whole group - it doesnt mater if its a gay or st8 person doing the abuse...who ever does it should meet the sam consequence as an individual... but lets look at the issue of Gays as that of racisim against black people in the past...

chichi · Senior Member

JRC

I really feel if anyone would come in here and be abusive to others wit their bad coments then should be banned from the forum and u have to do it dont just say it. cause they is no reason why other pple should be reading that when we come here to contribute on topics that make no sense. Its good to agree or disagreee on things but doesnt mean that we should be hateful to each other. This is just so disappointing that us Malawians should come in here and just be hateful to each other its just ridiculous. Yes i think that guy should be banned and if moneylow is going to curse and say abusive words too he should be banned. I said it and i will say it again this is just getting old and u guys act like high school kids ya'll need to grow up

game · Guru

these are two different issues,gays are a group of human beings wanting to live the opposite life while racism is a crime against humanity in general.

all over the world people joined hands to crash racism,from Abraham lincon to the civil rights an the black panther movements.

gaysm does not attract the same type of movements,as only gays fight for gay rights and it always receives mixed reactions from all cultures and traditions.what people dont want is how naive you gays are when it comes to the objectives of your fight.

WHAT ABOUT SETTING SOME NEW GROUND RULES.SEEING THAT ALOT OF MALAWIANS DONT WANT TO EMBRACE THIS GAY CULTURE.AND THEY ALWAYS HAVE AN AMP WHEN YOU CROSS PATHS WITH THEM.WE SHOULD MAKE A VOTE WHETHER WE WANT THEM ON THE FORUM OR NOT.

IN CASE SOMETHING LIKE THAT OF SODOM AND GOMORHA HAPPENS TO US FOR MIXING WITH THEM.REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED TO LOT'S WIFE.THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN GOD WILL KNOW BETTER.

-- Edited by game at 21:28, 2005-06-06

JRC · Member

I have been emailed by several people asking me to remove homosexual messages on this forum. Before I make any decision I would to ask you members of this forum to vote on this issue. Click the link below to to vote

http://vote.sparklit.com/web_poll.spark?pollID=915005&sparkKey=90266e6b9abda9576d88127399d7a440b0

amdala · Senior Member

blame everything on multiparty 'democracy'... if it was during the Ngwazi all this homo craziness would be unheard of neither would someone have the guts to write such alphabet. kunali Payombe...

the truth hurts, we all know that... -koma zomwezi mpaka zibakera?

sexmadsista · Veteran Member

Sage, that was totally not cool, if ur bored, go wank urself man! that was totally wrenk. anybody is allowed there views unless ur a russian who got burnt in australia and was taken by the alien mothership to utopia and lived happily eva after, jus before he killed Anna sitting on the toilet- it neva makes sense to any1 but me
but u get the point?

GWAN · Member

JRC wrote:

I have been emailed by several people asking me to remove homosexual messages on this forum. Before I make any decision I would to ask you members of this forum to vote on this issue. Click the link below to to vote http://vote.sparklit.com/web_poll.spark?pollID=915005&sparkKey=90266e6b9abda9576d88127399d7a440b0

JRC

Voting on this issue is not the way forward. Can members sustain a debate on Homosexuality within the confines of the Website Guidelines? That to me MUST be the test.

If anybody cannot contribute to the debate on Homosexuality without breaching the Guidelines let appropriate action follow from YOUR office. It's that simple.

skillzmanifest · Senior Member

The sage had what was coming to her, or him, whatever IT is? The Sage was undoubtedly out of line and needed to be red carded. Now she can re-think about ways in which to better express herself. Anyways, I think two weeks will be enough time.

Although homos are a sad people, completey banning pro gay topics is not neccesary, there is however, a need for lines to be drawn. I think if we are to begin discoursing about the banning of pro gay topics there has to be a set goal. What are we trying to achieve? The function of a forum is essentially to allow the exchange of ideas and set grounds for healthy argument. However, considering the postings from the likes of LGMM who have used his forum for other purposes, it is important that this forum should not be misrepresented for some gay assembly spot. Therefore, very careful measures have to be taken.

Black Panther · Senior Member

I could not believe my eyes when I saw the suggestion that gay topics should be banned. Talk about hindering democracy & pulling out a gag order. When you all go to college do ur professors avoid gay issues b/c they dont agree with it..no. Its this kind of attitude that really does set us Malawians socailly apart from the rest of the world. This is how democray starts to crumble... I dont like polygamy, why not ban all topics o npolygamy, some people dont like blondes, why not ban all topics on blondes from theis forum - heck ban blondes from the forum... what about Indians and white people, lets ban them from the forum too and call our selves independant free thinkers...

whether u like it or not gay people live amongst us and should be able to talk about gay issues if they want. This is however not a gay forum. With that being said, people dont need to talk about issues that they dont want to but the right to put that issue up is a basic freedom for all people.You cant just take off topics that offend some of the people , things need to be talked about- this is not the middle ages or the Main ages or the Banda ages.. this should not even be considered...i t is a step backwards form an otherwise progressive forum. If you take away the topics, it wont make gay people go away.

Game,

I am not gay. But I support the right of gay members to air their views with out fear of being gay-bashed. I support the right of non-gays to also air their views without fear of beinf str8 bashed. So ur wrong in saying only gay people support gay rights. There is a difference btw. supporting gay rights & ur right to be gay, & supporting gay lifestlyes. think about it. The only thing that I am curious about in this forum is why Gay and lesbain issues are so prominant, fo r people that are largely against gay lifestly u all sure seem to dedicate a lot of time to iscussing it, and to gay bashing. If pple cant discuss the issue w/o gay-bashing and w/o calling people names, then they need to go to a different site.

Lets not forget that in racism the whole world was against black people, many diff traditionns, religions etc.. for the longets while until someone said , 'hey blacks are people too" - Abraham lincoln ended racism b/c he had no real option it was a political move, and the northern states had all the big businesses.

some one mentioned that this would not happen in Bandas time... maybe maybe not.. but democracy is about embracing all cultures and lifestyles in Malawi and theri right to be there. It does not mean that u need to suport a gay lifestyle.

game · Guru

panther

you do have a point although i dont agree with it.in recent times this forum has been used as a rialto for gay patronage and instead of having a constructive discussion about their movement and its objectives they became paranoid of straight mans views because they are scared their seeds will get killed before they grow,so they noticed the enemy at a distance and take a shot.

thanks for clarifying your sexuality i was beginning to question your presency in my midst,its not that i cant stand a gay debate but i do think we have alot on our plate at the moment like economical situations in malawi something that will benefit the poor instead of discussing somebody having sex with the same sex.

i believe in human rights but what i dont understand is the cultural changes presiding over the transitions of our age into whatever type of society we are in.all i can tell you now is that all human beings have different forces operating in them which partly depend on the capacity of their culture.so as a black African am deeply rooted in my culture that alienates homosexuality.so am not going to despise my culture to fit in a western culture that to me is unheard of.

am not easily moved by the winds,i stand firm for what i as a malawian man was raised on.wont throw away my culture for anything let alone anyone.

-- Edited by game at 20:35, 2005-06-07

sepusepu · Senior Member

Black P,

democracy is when power is in the hands of the people. JRC's posting about voting against gay topics is the most democratic move on this issue. I dont think he would have just said no to people's demand, that would be dictatorship. There might be those that dont agree with polygamy but in a democratic setting the power is invested in the people (majority).

It just so happens that the majority of this forum is against homosexual and being a democratic setting majority wins wether its right or wrong. Democracy can also be a pain in the rear .

Just because gay people walk the earth doesnt mean that we have to agree with them. All i can say is that every choice has its opportunity cost, you choose democracy,some benefits have to be forgone.

sepu sepu

-- Edited by sepusepu at 23:39, 2005-06-07

chichi · Senior Member

If this topic about homosexuality is making pple exchange hate words on this forum then it should be removed JRC so i put up ma vote I urge everybody to vote and get this over with please cuz this back and forth is just crazy

Black Panther · Senior Member

Sepu, democracy is NOT about the majority.

Democray is about protecting the rights of the majority and the minority.

your freedom and right of expression ends at the point where it encroaches on another mans freedom and right to expression.

Some people say it extends as far as your nose, b/c you can never encroach on someone else right to be what or who they are and call ur self democratic. And like I said Sepu - u dont have to agree with the lifestly, but u have to agree with their right to live that lifestyle. That, is democray.

Banning this topic is the most undemocratic thing that JRC can do. And this my friend, is why the Malawi govt, at the point that it turned in to a multi party system under Muluzi , should have gone on a massive campaigh to sensitize the people of Malawi on what it means to live in a democracy... Look at the vendors that wont listen to the govt. they say they have a right to be there. but the govt. has a right to restrict their movments, and they dont understand this...

Sungani · Veteran Member

Black Panther wrote:

I could not believe my eyes when I saw the suggestion that gay topics should be banned. Talk about hindering democracy & pulling out a gag order. When you all go to college do ur professors avoid gay issues b/c they dont agree with it..no. Its this kind of attitude that really does set us Malawians socailly apart from the rest of the world. This is how democray starts to crumble... I dont like polygamy, why not ban all topics o npolygamy, some people dont like blondes, why not ban all topics on blondes from theis forum - heck ban blondes from the forum... what about Indians and white people, lets ban them from the forum too and call our selves independant free thinkers... whether u like it or not gay people live amongst us and should be able to talk about gay issues if they want. This is however not a gay forum. With that being said, people dont need to talk about issues that they dont want to but the right to put that issue up is a basic freedom for all people.You cant just take off topics that offend some of the people ,

I strongly believe that gay discussions should be banned because this forum is becoming more and more a meeting point for the homo's or pro homos which would eventually lead to most users withdrawing their membership from this site and in a way could misrepresent the true image of this forum.

There is nothing wrong in censorship, it's done every second it the western developed countries and that is why we don't see nude pictures in magazines, TV or any media meant for public viewing. And what could be more democratic than voting? JRC that was a good move.

JRC, if you are going to allow gay discussions on this forum then, we might as well start discussing about devil worshipping, child pornography and anything else that is seen as normal to a twisted mind but considered as weird by the majority.

Gays out there, create your own Malawi gay discussion forum where you can discuss your sexual preferance without anyone bothering you.

-- Edited by Sungani at 17:47, 2005-06-08

abre les ojos · Guru

HOW DOES ONE DETERMINE WHAT IS A "GAY" MASSAGE?

Ms Tinga · Newbie

Essentailly were taking a democratic vote in order to facilitate an undemocratic act: silencing an opposing different lifestlyle.

The means may be democratic, but the ends is not democratic.

If people want to discuss devil worshipping they should do so - all u would need to do is either ignore it or say - 'what ur doing is b/s' and move on with ur life...

-- Edited by Ms Tinga at 19:02, 2005-06-08

Black Panther · Senior Member

Sungani wrote:

I strongly believe that gay discussions should be banned because this forum is becoming more and more a meeting point for the homo's or pro homos

- there is a difference between being pro- homo and pro democracy - which i have repeatedly said. I dont know what better way to explain it. But would you be happier if the forum was increasingly becoming a forum for anti-gays & gay bashers & the undemocratic autocratic supporters... b/c that is what is being advocated.

would eventually lead to most users withdrawing their membership from this site - so most users that dont agree with the topic have a choice to either

a. not respond

b. not read the topic in the first place.

IF YOU DONT LIKE THE GAY TOPICS DONT READ OR RESPOND TO THEM -ITS THAT SIMPLE. People are acting like they are forced to read them. Most of the gay topics arise in the first place b/c people start calling eachother names etc.. or start gay bashing - get rid of all the name calling in the forum, and we will be able to all move on.

And what could be more democratic than voting?

leaving the gay topics would be more democratic.

-- Edited by Black Panther at 19:05, 2005-06-08