Does money hold more value than life

Lady B · Senior Member

Does money hold more value than life

kesso · Senior Member

Of course money is more important than life (to society). Iraq? It's all about money; don't matter how many children get killed. And don't get me started on international trade or Anti-retroviral drugs or malarial drugs.

This topic is a open and shut one as far as I'm concerned.

Lady B · Senior Member

Wooh!!!!!!! Honey it was just a question , why you getting all so worked up , am sure they are other people that would like to air their Views , so this tops is still On as far as am concerned
'kiss'

kesso · Senior Member

No I wasn't getting worked up, just speaking (or typing) with emphasis. Everyone in this column seems to think I'm a little aggressive. Maybe I am.

What I was saying was, yes, money is, was, and will always be more important than life, it's that simple..

game · Guru

quote:
Originally posted by: Lady B
"Do you think society places more value on money than a persons life.? I ask this because you get cases where armed robbers will get away with billions of cash and are jailed jailed for life
and then you get cases where human beings are sentanced to 3 years for abusing and toturing thier 3 month old baby son

'kiss'"

lady b

i think money and life goes together like horse and carriage.i will take keeso's iraq example,i think the u.s and Britain went to war to protect the world from the tyrant saddam.which was a good gesture but people including women and children died.that was a gamble,they couldnt sit idle and let one person pause a threat to the world.

On the other hand,it was the oil that keeps their economies strong and the lives of alot of people secure so its all a matter of give and take.thats the game politictians play,they protect their interests

Black Panther · Senior Member

how else do we explain, sweatshops, mining deaths, nestle knowingly selling infant formula that leave babies unhealthy (till this day in Africa & Latin America) , coca - cola refusing to provide health benefits or days off for AIDS victims, the list is endless.... I think that there is more emphaisis on money and big business then human life. I agree with Kesso. I would like to raise that bar though and say that nationality and "race" , plays a huge role. Its okay to dump wate on native american property and to do clinical testing unethically on africans etc... but right now we are the wretched of the earth (Fanon), so money is more important then any african life according to the current status quo. Now of ur dealing with Americans, on a world wide scale , 1 American life may be more important then 100 of ours, but still, that life is not more important the money.

Black Panther · Senior Member

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Originally posted by: game
" i think the u.s and Britain went to war to protect the world from the tyrant saddam ....

Really ? Lets think hard about issue then relate it to ur lst sentence

thats the game politictians play,they protect their interests"

So what interest was america protecting when they went after Saddam , freedom, deomcracy,, etc... etc.. thats what they tell u and me and the publc, but as u said politicans are self- interested- so this means that they must have other reasons other then the noble ones u mentioned for going in to Iraq...I dunno, maybe Oil, business, Power, and influence, and a new market for them to extend American Goods in to ...hmmm...interesting.

kesso · Senior Member

If you believe in the rhetoric that Saddam Hussein was a tyrant thats why the US and their allies went to war in Iraq, then you'll believe anything. I don't want to pontificate about that because I've been marching and shouting every anti-war slogan you can think of for 2 yrs now.

I agree with blackpanther on this one almost whole-heartedly. But even American life is expendable for the right price. Why else do they send their troops into Iraq to die?

game · Guru

keeso

why do you call kamuzu a tyrant,or a dictator?is it because he killed those who opposed him or because for a long time he robbed us of our human rights.

kesso · Senior Member

BOTH.

HE COULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT LEADER AND POLITICIAN WITHOUT HAVING TO KILL ANYBODY.

game · Guru

quote:
Originally posted by: kesso
"BOTH.
HE COULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT LEADER AND POLITICIAN WITHOUT HAVING TO KILL ANYBODY."

good,saddam on the other hand killed the whole village,dont that make him a dictator,a tyrant,an egoist and a miser.

he also paused a threat to the world by claiming to have wmd,wasnt that reason enough for allies to take action?not mentioning the banishing of weapon inspectors.

look at it this way if iran is about to launch its first nuke weapon,do you think saddam was going to sit idle,and watch his enemy build up the most dangerous weapon in the world.

game · Guru

try to put aside the fact that oil could have been the major generator of the war.because there are many coutries in asia who trade oil with america.and some are even under strict american surveillance.

kesso · Senior Member

Depends on who you believe. When Saddam was at his most dangerous; in the 80s, those WMD were supplied by America for him to wipe out those villages. Reason, so as not to disrupt the oil production. Post Kuwait and things changed. Saddam becomes a bad boy because of his non-compliance and of course no more USSR for him to run to.

Iraq is about Oil, nothing else. The theory is simple. America as a super power has to offload excess capital. War is the biggest racket to do that. The US has done a lot of horrible things to poor people from Korea to Vietnam to S. America. Fortunately post WWII has seemed to give the allies the good guy license. We find it hard to condemn America for doing worse things to other people that even Saddam. The US wiped out Faluja this year. A complete massacre, as bad as anything Saddam ever did. Not forget they use Napalm, which is banned. And depleted uranium shells.

Saddam was a tyrant, but so is America on the international scale. White men, in suits killing poor people because of something their govt. did. That's absurd! Just so that Halliburton can have exclusive rights to "re-build" Iraq and privatise everything.

I say VIVA the Iraqi resistance!

game · Guru

keeso

i do agree with you on some of the points raised,am aware that america has gone to war more than any country on the planet,but do you ever sit down and think what would happen if america wasnt a super power.

the world would go back to the crusaders era man,these aluyas would have wiped us out in the name of jihad,america is like the international law enforcer,look what hitler did almost six million jews killed,because america didnt want to get involved.think of how many catastrophical events could have happened if america didnt overstep its jurisdiction.what would happen to countries like england if america didnt join the war.

do you know that even the police sometimes kill innocent people just to keep law and order.

kesso · Senior Member

I dont believe that's true. America acts out of self interest not world interest. American money drives its foreign policy, not the other way round. Hitler didn't have anything to do with America. The truth is Russia was the biggest force behind Nazi defeat not America; who were mostly engaged in the Pacific.

As for Jihad. America started it first. Its support for Israeli occupation is what drives the jihadist. Simple.

Saying that because the US oversteps it's jurisdiction that crisis are prevented is not always the case. America spend all that money or defence is a mixture of arms-companies lobbying and internation investment, not to forget the plain ideological drive of imperialsm. America is nothing but the new Rome. It polices the world so that it's own companies can operate freely. Ever wondered why every country that refuses America influence is automatically evil. And even tyrants on the side of America are not.

Black Panther · Senior Member

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Originally posted by: game
"but do you ever sit down and think what would happen if america wasnt a super power.

yes, Lamumba and other democratice african leaders would have still been alive, and there would have been more democracy in Africa b/c the CIA has supported nearly, if not all of Africas worst dictators with money, guns, etc...

the world would go back to the crusaders era man,these aluyas would have wiped us out in the name of jihad,

You can say what u will about Islam but lets recognise that there ia a world wide bias towards Muslims (and that u have been influenced by this) that is being created by the Christain western world that is both irrational and based on untruths ...There are a lot of Christian fundemantalists and crimes that have been created in the name of Jesus. The Spanish Crusades in South America Killed thousands of Lationos in the name of God - look what they did.

america is like the international law enforcer (dictator/tyrant also apply here)

kesso · Senior Member

AAAH blackpanther once again you took the words right out my mouth, or specifically my fingers. I would marry you without any premarital arrangements whatsoever!

Black Panther · Senior Member

So Kesso, if Im reading u correctly ur so excited that we share a similar point of view on this that ur willing to marry me...is this b/c we have a similar background/education.... If I was an onion seller, I would have missed this opportunity to marry u b/c I may have not been able to come up with the same argument

kesso · Senior Member

What the hell are you talking about? I can see what you're trying to do ! Well, em... I don't know. Since you're not an onion seller and I haven't met you in person, I can't tell!!!

Date: May 26, 2005

A little debate & 'grey matter aerobics' doesn't hurt, but if an answer is what we're looking for, kesso said it it best @ the very begining; "this IS an open & shut case".
Has anyone seen that ad on CNN with the Harvard proffessor comparing the 9/11 casualty count with the number of AIDS deaths on the same day? In Africa 9/11 happens on a daily basis. Hundreds of thousands of Sudanese get killed & what do they get? A symbolic 'genocide' declaration in the US senate. If they had their own dictator with a pea-shooter sitting on a few barrels of oil, they would have gotten an 80 billion dollar 'war effort' budget allocation. Sad.
Africans (some, and that includes malawians) aren't free of guilt either. Have you noticed just how much the human factor plays a part in causing southern african famines (Zim, Malawi)? I could go on forever on the African angle of this topic but I'm sure, my inteligient folk, you have a pretty good idea.

kesso · Senior Member

Need I say more...

game · Guru

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Originally posted by: awmygawd
Africans (some, and that includes malawians) aren't free of guilt either. Have you noticed just how much the human factor plays a part in causing southern african famines (Zim, Malawi)? I could go on forever on the African angle of this topic but I'm sure, my inteligient folk, you have a pretty good idea.

awmygawd

i have been reading the theories behind this aids plague a recent survey of black people shows that the west created the monster as a mass genocide to get rid of africans every where in the world.

and more than 90% think that the west is hiding a cure,looking at the bigger picture blacks account for more than 99% of all new hiv infected persons each year people under 25 take up the two thirds. in light of statistics like these, the conspiracy theories arent just crazy talk.

if these government didnt create this monster they sure helped in the spread.or some lone crazed scientist controls this like a computer hacker in human beings.

kesso · Senior Member

Nah, that's a conspiracy theory. Some a farfetched like the AIDS one and some are actually true, like the moonlandings.

A lot of my family are in medicine and stuff and they don't agree with it. Still, though AIDS is a poverty issue, to the poorest its a problem. A lot of forces are to blame, even the catholic church for its anti-condom stuff. Don't forget the stigma attached to it in Africa and all the ignorance that you can go to a faith healer or sleep with a virgin.

I can go on an on about why and how AIDS spreads but it just a germ. And the truth is it has been around for a while, it just wasn't an epidemic.

No the spread of AIDS is us. We need to take the responsibility for stopping the spreading of it. The treatment is a different matter and yes we need some help there.

Black Panther · Senior Member

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Originally posted by: kesso
"Nah, that's a conspiracy theory. Some a farfetched like the AIDS one and some are actually true, like the moonlandings.

Lets stop right there , Kesso. I havent run in to many people that know about the moonlanding consporancy, and there even fewer that think it is credible. I am one of those that Does not believe in the mooonlanding because of all the fact surrounding that event. With that being said , all the astronaughts that were on that flight to the moon dies within 2 years of "natural causes" - 2 car accidents, a fire, disease ... go figure. So , that being said and to go back to orignial topic, their lives werent as highly valued as America winning the space race and beating USSR - There was little value for human life - thats why even the heros were killed so that it wouldnt be discovered tha Ameinca man was never on the moon.

For those interested in the Moon landing hoax:

moon.http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast23feb_2.htm

http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/top10apollohoaxes.html

kesso · Senior Member

I was brought up this conspiracy in college, few believed me. It was tantamount to saying there was no God during the time of the Salem witch trials or something. But funny thing, we tried all the experiments in our college studio. The ones to do with shadows and stuff and they were spot on fakes. It was laughable. Of course it one brought this up to a public forum you hear all sorts calling you a wacko.

I don't believe in the alien abductee stuff, but I'm more than convinced that the moon was hoaxed.

Black Panther · Senior Member

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Originally posted by: kesso
I don't believe in the alien abductee stuff, but I'm more than convinced that the moon was hoaxed."

Some pple think its the other way around LOL...they dont believe in the abductee stuff but have abslolute faith in the USA govt....strange. I can see why people would think those that believe this are wacko - this one i believe - there are a lot of conspriacy theories that are b/s...