the world will neva equal, though women will always rule da planet. it goes lyk dis: women do tings for men to impress dem an men do tings for women to impress dem but women are alwayz in control of how evryting is run! thats y most mums look afta their kids, so they can mould dem to do wat women want wen dey gro up. aah, easy as a,b,c

keeso

lets put our disagreements aside as i dont really disagree with you on everything,in the present gender equality issue,if we move to a perspective where the connections between past,present and future are clearly seen.as we move to this view point,there is less clutter of detail and the principles at work become apparent.

in the cave man era when we made fire by two sticks rubbing together men were hundred percent superior over women,because women were not allowed to exercise their freedom of thought,their duties were in the kitchen and in bed,in present time women have taken more front roles than men from their interest in astrology,tarot cards and so on is stronger than masculine.possibly the psychic and imaginative faculties are closer to the surface in women,and less easily surppressed.

in your posting you said tha if women just realised how powerful their influence on men is,they will definately be superior.

my question now is,are women practically superior over men and not technically?if they are does this overall make them superior over us?

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Originally posted by: kesso
 Man is the head of the family but the woman is the neck. She turns the head where ever she wants it to go."

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Kesso,

their is a tribe in Burma called the Pa Dong Karen,they have long necks because of "conditioning",they dont have the strength in their necks to turn the head as the neck muscles are weak and instead they use the whole body,a collective effort to turn around or look/glance sideways(if it can be called that).The neck and the head are both equal,dependant on each other.Cant this be the same in your example? instead of promoting  one gender,cant marriage be looked at as a partnership?I thought marriage is about two people "conditioning "each other to offset each others weaknesses and strengths rather one dominating the other?and remember what you have said does not happen in all the families(the joke that is)

Chichi,

if women repect men b/c it says so in the Bible, then how would you explain the other half of the world that is not Christian ? Gender roles are a social construct, just like race, and serve a purpose in society. Some one in a relation ship has to be be a tad bit more domineering then the other - usually it is the males b/c they are conditioned to be the hnic (head negro in charge) , but in some house holds it is the women that takes charge. There should be mutaul agreement, In this day and age, eveybody can be a breadwinner. So why go to work to bring hokme dough so you husband can distribute it for you - get out of the shadow girls. You can be a liberated woman without burning ur bra!

Gender equlity is deeply routed in history and culture. It is also associated with economic development. The more developed a society is, the more inequlity there is. In HG (Hunter-gather) societies there is more gender inequility then in societies like the US or Tonw dwellers in Malawi. Thei is b/c in those HG societies, what they have is a division of laborers, whils men may do the majority of the Hunting, the women do the gathering, but they dont place more importance on hunting over gathering. In some societies way back when too, women also hunted. But as a society develops from family to band, to clan , to city, etc..., gender inequality increases as well. (Please dont argue about me on this its a social scientific fact, I did sociology for 4 years). Its b/c ur now dealing with money/goods etc.. and where there is a surplus of goods, there is inequality that arises and the have and have nots. same thing with race, racial inequality will exist as long as there are have and have nots. This is why there are socialists and communists out there who advocate econmic equality. Look at China and how its army is almost gender neutral. Compare lets say with the US army where they have an abundant of gender issues inspite of the US being the "world leader for democracy" etc... they are the world leader of inequality.

I heard about the Pa dong women, they do it for beauty b/c that is there societies idea of beauty, the Masaii women do the same thing. and when they take it off their neck break and they die.

-- Edited by Black Panther at 21:31, 2005-05-16

I don't know about you guys, but all I can say is, "Get in the kitchen woman, get me a sandwich and a beer"....

Thought this might enlighten u a bit.

A little boy asked his mother, "Why are you crying?" "Because I'm a woman,"
she told him.

"I don't understand," he said. His Mom just hugged him and said, "And you
never will."

Later the little boy asked his father, "Why does mother seem to cry for no
reason?"

"All women cry for no reason," was all his dad could say.

The little boy grew up and became a man, still wondering why women cry.

Finally he asked God. He said, "God, why do women cry so easily?"

God said:

" When I made the woman she had to be special.
I made her shoulders strong enough to carry the weight of the world, yet
gentle enough to give comfort.

I gave her an inner strength to endure childbirth and the rejection that
many times comes from her children.

I gave her a hardness that allows her to keep going when everyone else gives
up, and take care of her family through sickness and fatigue without
complaining.

I gave her the sensitivity to love her children under any and all
circumstances, even when her child has hurt her very badly.

I gave her strength to carry her husband through his faults and fashioned
her from his rib to protect his heart.

I gave her wisdom to know that a good husband never hurts his wife, but
sometimes tests her strengths and her resolve to stand beside him
unfalteringly.

And finally, I gave her a tear to shed. This is hers exclusively to use
whenever it is needed."

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Originally posted by: kesso
"Petergriffin Yeah right..."

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Petergriffin, i bet u have to beg, an beg an beg. and the woman probably feels sorry for ya.

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Originally posted by: PeterGriffin
"I don't know about you guys, but all I can say is, "Get in the kitchen woman, get me a sandwich and a beer"...."

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You know, interestingly, Ive come across young Malawian couples where its the women saying this. the 20 and 30-something generation is quite different from our parents generation (Although in my home my dad did lend a hand once in a while). I have seen Malawian men cook (albeit not the entire meal, or sometimes just help and these are people in Malawi too), but one thing I will never forget is going to a Mw recently with my cousins who are married, and me and her were the only females there. The rest of the guys leaves their wives at home ! Its like in Mw there 2 extremes u either drink or u dont. Why cant we preach moderation. same thing when they say your either Christian or your not. Just cuz ur christain doesnt mean u cant drink. But its refreshing to see a young Malawian couple where there is equality.

Its okay, if the woman wants to cook and she enjoys it & the dude wants to contribute to the household elsewhere. So be it. If thats what the couple has agreed on. But Id say I have a problem with the woman doing certain work b/c she is a woman. but if you have a division of labour in the house where there is equity (rather then equality). Thats cool too as long as your both pulling some equl weight.

panther

sorry but i thought you were a man,you really have masculine features in all your postings and i believe you are a strong black woman,stay a black panther girl am proud of you.

keeso i do agree with you but the darwinian sense you used i find it a bit irelevant.the powerful image of women acquiring dominance over men has held sway in our human imagination for a very long time.some people think that even the original domestication of women has been initiated by the cave man hunter who brought home meat for the women to cook.

so if women are financially stable it strongly shows how extraordinary their powers are because they build not destroy compared to men.i can break it down for you a little,give a woman cash to make a budget.it will last you the whole month even though the money was not enough.try to make the same budget with the same amount of money it wont last a week,why?because you also want a pint on the same money there are alot of reasons.

thats why i think women were blessed with powers to tame a man not to destroy a man through confidence,understanding and compassion.

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Originally posted by: Black Panther
 But its refreshing to see a young Malawian couple where there is equality. Its okay, if the woman wants to cook and she enjoys it & the dude wants to contribute to the household elsewhere. So be it. If thats what the couple has agreed on. But Id say I have a problem with the woman doing certain work b/c she is a woman. but if you have a division of labour in the house where there is equity (rather then equality). Thats cool too as long as your both pulling some equl weight. "

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Black Panther,

now we  are talking!equality is the word,no gender should dominate or be thought to be superior to the other more especially in a marriage set up,its a partnership with equal "shareholding" and equal responsibilities.I have always said it is dangerous to pit man and woman as adversaries,yes when we cry we mention our "mamas" but its not because we dont love our "papas",no,we love them just as much but unless its your old mans funeral,you would look "stupid and funny"crying out aloud "a dad! a dad!a dad anga ine!".

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Originally posted by: kesso
"Ok Ngwazi, a different, a little bit mental side of you is seeping through, should we be a little bit suspect... Anyway, you're right about equal ops in a marriage set up but any man who believes that marriage is a case of 50/50 doesn't understand women... Or fractions."

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Kesso,

all I am saying is thats how it should be but reality is different,things are not always what or how you want them to be.I am holding back from saying why  I think you guys are going for "womens powers", can be used as a "weapon or an incentive" yes but not always the "winning formula",the key word is "always".still a bit suspect?

-- Edited by Ngwazi at 18:36, 2005-05-17

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Originally posted by: kesso
"I know you're holding back. Fortunately you didn't take the bait. C'mon throw the cat among the pigeons. Or should I?"

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Kesso,

go ahead! lets see you doing it and then the real issues will begin.Be very careful though,tread carefully once again,wamkulu hauzidwa !!!

guys

watch out how you break it down,because we have charlies angels in the house.

Keeso, Game, I am female.  couldnt u hear me roar.

Game: is it because man was created first before woman? Some theologins dispute this part of the Bible.

U bring up a good point about women being superioir. In answer to your question about women with two xx genes survinving longer, and to  add that the population of females is greater than that of male, I think we can logically conclude, darwin stlye, that females may be the fittest. b/c we are surviving. I guess each gender uses the skills it has to survive.  One of my friends thinkg that the ratio of men to women was actuall supopsed to be 1:3 or something but b/c of history and society's idolising the male babies, it unbalance the scale. She thinks it should be one male to several females, originally and this explains why men love multiple women, and women b/c they need sperm to reproduce. they do say it is natural 4 women to look, in a mate for stability, and someone who would increase there chance of survivial - in humans maybe its the guy with the biggest wallet (so dont be shocked when ladies go 4 the guys with the money cuz they r trying to ensure them and there offspring survive) or they go for men that are well endowed and can increase the sperm production their way, or guys that are muscular and can give them protection. In animals, they do the same thing , peacocks- preettiest feathers - the most manly Lion etc... spiders - instinct-

 

Going back to Games point about Adam and Eve, maybe man was created with 3 or four women around (including the mysterious Lilian or was it Liliath that was in Eden) and Adam procreated with 3 - or 4 of them (and one of them had to be a sista), Maybe Adam was just used 4 his sperm - and if my friends theory is right- that could explain that from a Biblical and Sceintific stance!

 

-- Edited by Black Panther at 20:31, 2005-05-17