http://www.giles.34sp.com/firstcontest/

http://www.afrol.com/News/afr014_torturers_dicators.htm

http://www.funkypanda.com/dictators/links.htm

http://hastings-kamuzu-banda.wikix.ipupdater.com/

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/H/Ha/Hastings_Kamuzu_Banda.htm

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Originally posted by: Zee
"...... For me my heroes os are the Chipemberes, Orton Chirwas , Kanyama's and many others who were killed or forced into exile for seeking and believing in the truth. Their belief in democracy brought a lot pain to them and their families."

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Zee, this is interesting. Are you from the North just like me? Noticed that all the people you have purported to be your heroes are from the North. Or is my mind playing tricks on me again? Where does John Chilembwe fit in?

As a change to my other postings, come to think of it I somewhat agree with Zee, at least in principle.

gents

i find kamuzu a little bit over saturated,he is not greater than John chilembwe,look at it this way, they both left malawi to study abroad,the only difference is that chilembwe came back and never lost his roots he could still address his people in chewa,kamuzu left and came back totally forgot a syllable of his native language,chilembwe died fighting the white settlers he didnt cut a deal,kamuzu got arrested and was sent to rhodesia,scared of jail he cut a deal to save his ass,he came back a hero because the truth was kept secret.he went to england to discuss the terms and conditions of his deal,came back and made himself president for life.thats a load of bull right there.

he aint no hero to me.

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Originally posted by: Zee
 Its alright for most you to sing the praise song for him because most of you were born in the 80's and really didn't experience his style of leadership. So stay stereotyped and brainwashed.

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Zee,

I do sympathise with you on what your family went through but I find what you have written especially the part qouted "patronising".Its not being brainwashed or stereotyped for someone to comment on the things that s/he likes about Kamuzu.Yes what you have said about him being a dictator is nothing but the truth but should people fear to acclaim his other  "good" side for fear of being called "brainwashed or stereotyped?",no,we all look at things differently and after all guevara was talking about what he thinks is the typical Kamuzu of the old with all his long speeches on history and classics(languages like latin).Everyone has a good side and a bad side,let people speak freely on matters relating to Kamuzu or anyone, whether bad or good without being called something,thats the freedom of expression we all wanted when we got read of him(Kamuzu) in 1994.

I'll have to agree with Zee on all but the last point.

Just because he was not democratic didn't make him evil by default. Unless, I misread the statement. Some democratic leaders turn out to be more evil than other. Hitler was elected, so was George W Bush or Ragean (twice).

Yes Kamuzu was evil. Let's not let the nostalgia of history blind us from the meat from crocodiles stuff. A lot of families lost their parents because of him. Lets not forget his paranoia at anyone educated even though he seemed to promote education...

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Originally posted by: Zee
" For me my heroes os are the Chipemberes, Orton Chirwas , Kanyama's and many others who were killed or forced into exile for seeking and believing in the truth. Their belief in democracy brought a lot pain to them and their families."

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am gonna spitt the truth, with no fear of any backlash, all of the above mentioned were selfish mutha ****ers who had no interest of the malawian nation at heart, there actions were based purely on selfish reasons e.g jearousy,envy.. etc. lets face it, when banda was called to come home, they wanted a puppet so the can pull the strings and run the show on the side, but same with the bingu situation, it back fired.here is just a little extract from  CONVERSATIONS WITH KAMUZU:THE LIFE AND TIMES OF DR H KAMUZU BANDA 

You have told me on a number of occasions that you want me to comment on various difficult times, or periods, during my years of leadership of the Party and of the Nation.  I have told you to be patient, but I forget that you are an American and Americans are never patient (laughing).  The reason that I have told you to be patient, is that there were no visible, V-I-S-I-B-L-E difficulties or problems during my first month home, July, 1958.  On the surface, everyone in the Congress leadership appeared pleased that I was back in Nyasaland to assume the top leadership role or position in order to begin the intensive fight for our freedom.

Now, as the conference was over and the real work was to begin, I began to detect or, rather, I became sensitive to subtleties that had been simmering below the surface since I arrived at Chileka on 6 July.  I was in a state of euphoria during that first month.  I was very emotional as I traveled throughout the country and realized that I was actually home.  I was surrounded and immersed in the euphoria of the ordinary people when I spoke of seeking their freedom and independence.  All of this emotion blunted, B-L-U-N-T-E-D my sense of real observation of what was simmering just below the surface.  It was the disease that infects all of Africa and has destroyed more people, chiefdoms, governments, even families, than all of Africa’s maladies; malaria, schistosomiasis, leprosy, cholera, even AIDS, all of them combined.  I am talking about jealousy.  Jealousy infects African society at every level.  Frankly, I had been away from home for so many years, that I had forgotten how damaging, how toxic this African disease, jealousy, really is, sadly even now.

Also, jealousy goes hand-in-hand with backbiting.  So, between the two, jealousy and backbiting, a course is set for failure if not destruction of any cause.  At that time, I admit to being an idealist.  I expected everyone to be an idealist focused on our dual objectives of the end of Federation and self-government. . . independence for Nyasaland and her people.  I expected an undivided team.  After all, as a physician, a surgeon, I always had an undivided team in the theater.  Jealousy, bickering, backbiting and such, if it existed at all between the people in theater, was left outside the door.  Only one objective was dealt with in theater. . . the well being of the patient.  In July, 1958, our patient was Nyasaland and I expected one hundred percent dedication to the causes and treatment effecting that patient.

Orton Chirwa
Kanyama Chiume
 Masauko Chipembere
Yatuta Chisiza
Dunduzu Chisiza

As you know, at that time, there was a group of brilliant young men within Congress that I called my ‘lieutenants’.  They were young men and women who were, on the surface, passionate supporters of Congress and our stated objectives.  I have already mentioned Mr. Kanyama Chiume and Mr. Masauko Chipembere.  There was also Mr. Orton Chirwa, the Chiziza’s, Rose Chibambo, Chokani and others, but they were the central figures, all brilliant with an equally brilliant political future.  But they and others were infected with the African disease of jealousy and backbiting.  I should also mention that these are contagious diseases.  As the top people exhibit the symptoms, these diseases spread through families, organizations, churches and anyplace else where the virus is unleashed. 

So, this is what I became aware of; the tentacles of jealousy and backbiting silently and destructively beginning to make its way through Congress.

I am not a silent observer when I detect problems.  No!  Not at all!  I do not sit at my desk sucking a pipe as they do at Whitehall.  No!  I told them all forcefully and emphatically, individually and together, that I came home to do a difficult job and I expected to complete the tasks to be completely successful and then spend the rest of my life practicing medicine.  They all said ‘Yes Doctor’, ‘Inde Atate’, ‘Of course, Doctor’.  I told them that I was elected to run the show, not to be a ‘front man’ to be run by young people no matter how brilliant they were.  I said that we would work together as a unified team, no jealousy, no backbiting, no bickering or I would go to my surgery immediately, sad that I could not deliver the goods that I had promised the people of Nyasaland for a month, but satisfied that I could at least spend the rest of my life treating and healing their bodies.

In some cases, the disease was, sadly for the nation, not curable.  These people, as brilliant as they were and, in some cases, still are, could not leave the diseases of jealousy and backbiting “outside the door to the theater”. . . so they had to eventually go.  I had to turn to other people that were prepared to work together as a team, to achieve our objectives.  I will tell you more later. . . at times appropriate to different events.  So, be patient! (laughing).

Let it also be known that the history of Malawian as regards the story of the life president of Malawi and his opponents is very distorted. Mainly it was done to please Kamuzu otherwise the writers would face his wrath. For instance the Chilembwe play on 3rd March had a phrase that went something like this: " adzabwera wina adzati kwacha... adzati kwacha"  hmmm????????

It is really a shame and sad that we are almost guaranteed never to find the opinions, speeches and any relevant materials of the so called dissidents during Kamuzu's era. Everything that was controversial to Kamuzu's line of thinking evaporated into thin air. What a shame!! this generation and the next generations to come will never know what really happened other the one sided story as told by Kamuzu and his cohorts. I cry for my beloved Malawi

-- Edited by Zee at 21:00, 2005-05-17

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Originally posted by: game
"zee you are right "kudzabwera wina adzati kwacha" thats a load of bollox right there man,who was he a prophet or what?damn those people got twisted."

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was he jesus or what?