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This is very touching.


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Very touching subject indeed! I did not know we had such practices in Malawi. It is about time that someone addressed this issue especially where young girls are concerned. It is one thing for a grown woman to go through this process on her own accord.


I don't  know where one would have to start; definitively mass education should be included as a tool. I am just wondering why this practice has survived this long in Malawi. From speaking with women (Somali, Djibouti and Sudan) who have been circumcised, I gather that there is a lot of pressure from society particularly in the rural regions. Men would refuse to marry any uncircumcised girl on the pretext that they were unclean and with little or no moral values. Generally, these societies are male dominated and the only way these women can “make it” in life is through a man, which means consenting to female genital mutilation.



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i am not against this tradition but i deplore the human rights violation these kids are subjected to.i dont think circumcision is wrong,because it occurs after mutual consent from both parties,and if they follow necessary precautions so to avoid the transmission of aids.


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"i am not against this tradition but i deplore the human rights violation these kids are subjected to.i dont think circumcision is wrong,because it occurs after mutual consent from both parties,and if they follow necessary precautions so to avoid the transmission of aids. "
You can't be serious. Do you honestly believe that there is mutual consent from both parties?

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Game! Why do think this is done to young girls and not grown women after they are married? Now that would be mutual consent.



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Game! I hope that when you posted your reply you were drunk. If it's painful having your navel pierced how painful do you think female circumcision is? It's a barbaric act and should not be condoned.



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miss thang
i was not drunk when i posted that dont get the wrong end of the dong,this practice is bad but we cannot go against other peoples tradition by branding it inhuman,this is a serious issue that needs to be addressed forthwith.in malawi this practice takes place among the yao's and other tribes if you tell them its abuse they wont understand they will think your trying to insult their tradition.
so the best way is to bring in qualified medical personell to help them, thus avoiding transmission of any contagious diseases.

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Come on man! defending tradition for the sake of preserving tradition, cultures ...is just wrong.Now in the old days they used to bury people alive along with an "important" dead person. That tradition has ceased because people either rebelled or have decided there are better ways of honouring their dead. The point is, we have to choose what is good about our traditions and negate what is bad. And this starts with constructive criticism.


My other beef with this custom is that why only women are deprived of sexual pleasure when their organs are mutilated. I don't see men lining up to have themselves castrated. If the point is to keep sex for reproductive purposes only, there are ways these days of doing that.



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Just because it is tradition does not mean it is good. If we were to preserve tradition we wouldn't be where we are now. A wiseman once said "rules and traditions are meant to be broken". Now that is progress!


Ine Kalundi



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"Just because it is tradition does not mean it is good. If we were to preserve tradition we wouldn't be where we are now. A wiseman once said "rules and traditions are meant to be broken". Now that is progress!
Ine Kalundi"




kalundi munganya,
let me start by giving you a small lecture,people uphold tradition without knowing it,for example your name alone is tumbuka,you are upholding the tumbuka tradition,progress does not mean you have to forget where your from,look at the british monarch they follow their tradition in a progressing environment,all we need to do is to mordenise our tradition,accept change by revisiting the past, in a morden way.

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"Just because it is tradition does not mean it is good. If we were to preserve tradition we wouldn't be where we are now. A wiseman once said "rules and traditions are meant to be broken". Now that is progress! Ine Kalundi"

as much as i agree, with you that just because something is a  tradition,it doesnt mean that it is good.


but i personnally believe that one of the reasons why us africans as a people, have failed to advance,is due to us trying to embraice every little thing that is european at the expense of our tradition,believes and culture.


its really more about mixing tradition and abit of technology, like the chinese. that we shall move forward. a people without a past are a people without a future. this is the reason why after being inslaved and colonised for over a hundred years, we still face economical and political slaverly to western goverments and institutions like the  I M f.


our traditions promotes respect for ones olders in society, if ma child goes out of line, he is going to get the belt plain and simple, in the western world i cant do jack, if i did social services will be at ma door before am even done. in ma part of the world kids as young as 10 smoke weed in buses, you cant do nothin to stop them,if you did, you would probably get apile of lawsuits.this to me goes to prove that the systems that are in place in this societies have failed. thats western civilisation for you ,full of flows, were the victim has less rights than the perpetrater.


in kalundis posting he did make apoint,that had we preserved tradition we wouldnt be were we are, my question to you is were are we as a people?no where. the english have had the monarchy for ages, tradition is still a strong part of the japanese society today, you still have cowboys in texas. a majority of the african american community still celebrate kwaza. this are communities well advanced that us malawians.


let us embraice western culture and values that promote equal oppotunity, protection of the most vanulable in the community at the sametime not forgeting our traditions and culture that promotes unity and respect for ones olders.


now on female mutilation, to be honest i have no idea, what it evolves, or the plain and suffering that this young girls go through. but they is one thing i do know though, it is done with both parents and the childs consent. i also know that a number of reputable organisations and goverment, for sometime now have been working with traditional leaders to make it safe, through civic education and provision of utensils to avoid the spreading of hiv and the like. now unless somebody brings a strong argument on why it should be banned a part from the fact that it is a plainful process, i will hold opposing views.getting a boob job is plainful, but girls still do it, bettre yet something a little closer to home, if female genital mutilation is wrong, what about male circumsition?


one question i would also like to ask is, what is the whole idea behind female genital mutilation?



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 one question i would also like to ask is, what is the whole idea behind female genital mutilation?-- Edited by money low at 13:28, 2005-03-12"




Money low,


I liked your analysis.  A few emotional contributions on the topic but nonetheless what most are saying that this bit of culture needs to go is true.  If you have time follow these links to answer your question and possibly understand a little more what this thing is all about and the effect on those who have suffered under it.


On the procedure and why its done: www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/femgen/fgm1.htm#a1


On its origin and misconception: www.religioustolerance.org/fem_cirm.htm


There is an underscore(_) between fem and cirm on the second address.  My computer cant show it, but possibly on your machine it will clear, in which case this paragraph is not required.


Cheers!


 


 



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One could also argue that male genital mutilation is also wrong . This is practiced to almost 100 percent of males born in the USA.


I do not condone either type of circumcision.



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after readind the two links, that straightfire provided,


i would like to agree that female genital mutilation is wrong.


those articles are deep.



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Game and Money Low  you basically agree with what I said in my posting. I am not saying that all traditions should be thrown out, but some aspects need to go. I am sure you wouldn't want your child to accompany a dead king to his final resting place as is the tradition in some cultures.



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