Pleads Guilty

JRC · Member

Pleads Guilty

Ayatollah · Senior Member

What is wrong with this idiot man? Why kill a woman just because she has a few of your belongings? I don't care whether she was holding on to a Bentley or a million dollar account of his, he had no right to kill her. He is a wimp and that is why he even used a knife. Ayatollah got no sympathy for this silly brat. Could someone over there get me contact details of the judge? I would like to request that he gets the maximum penalty under the plea bargain without possibility of parole. What an idiot. Was this guy raised by people at all?

js · Member

Ayatolla,

I do not condon murder or any violent act agaisnt any human being but i also believe that we are all prone to making mistakes, some horrendous and unforgivable and yet others heartbreaking. the guy you are talking about happens to be my friend. I may not know everything about him but I know enough to know that he deeply regrets what he did and if he could turn back the time and change evrything he could so do not judge people that you don't know anything about. He might be a murderer but he is somebody's son, friend brother. and those of us (atleast me) that know him love him. i know where you are coming from and i know you have a right to express your opinions so do I and that is why i amsaying all this. I know billy, he is a fun , loving caring guy and I mourn for him even though he is not dead. I know it is hard for you to believe this but i know he was not his usual self when all this happened. some times I wonder maybe if I just listened more or talked more or something. maybe all this would not have happened but it happened. as for miss Lee's family I know the pain of losing a loved especially through violent crimes is hard to accept and more often than not bring forth feelings of hatred. all I ask is if you can to find it within your hearts of hearts courage to forgive."when we forgive we do it to find peace within ourselves and not to relieve those that we forgive"

to all you that know Billy i ask that you include him in your prayers and find it within yourselves to forgive him just like I have tried to do.

To Billy with Love

Ayatollah · Senior Member

JS, the line of thought in your posting is interesting even though it misses the whole issue we are dealing with. From the little I have read about the case, this was pre-meditated murder. This man planned this whole thing. He picked up a knife, waited for the deceased outside her place of employment and killed her at his time of opportune. Everything was well planned. I am not here to judge but I think every human being has to stand up for their responsibilities. Life is simple, you do the crime, you pay the time. What is funny with your posting is that you are asking people to forgive this good for nothing guy. JS, let it be known to you that even if the deceased's family and the whole world forgave this fool, his situation would not change at all. His case is against the State of Indiana. If you want to ask for forgiveness on his behalf, you may want to direct it to the state. I got news for you, laws are laws and unlike the woman he murdered and refused a chance to live, your friend is going to pay for his reckless with a lot of time. Also be assured that once his time is up, he will be deported to mother Malawi. All the same, like I said before, if any of you folks out there know the judges contact details, please let me know so that as a peer and country man for this murderer, I can recommend the most punishment that our friend deserves under his plea bargain. Atleast, we know he will be alive somewhere. The lady is gone. Gone for good. Taken away from her family, her friends at such a young age. Why? Because of holding on to a few material items belonging to this fool. JS, please note that Ayatollah does not have a grudge against your friend. He is just here to advance the truth and justice. I hope you understand. Just in case you don't, think about someone doing this to your beloved brother or sister. This man is not fit to be in our civilized society.

js · Member

forgive me for saying this ayatollah but it is because of pple like you that we have murderers in this world. i am not saying that he should get away with murder nor that he should not be punished I said he needs to be forgiven. forgiveness has nothing to do with being unpunished. i am not asking any judge, who so ever to reduce his sentence nor let him be unpunished. i am just not cormfortable with you gloryfing somebody's misery. so what? nothing is gonna bring that poor lady back. i mourn for her family just as i mourn for my friend. are you not a murderer yourself by asking for his blood? what is difference between you and him? it was the same kind of narrow mindedness like you are now presenting that caused this whole tragedy in the first place. lack of compassion for others. failing to see what's beyond now. lack of empathy. please don't get me wrong as i said i do not condon murder nor the "the hollier than thou" attitude that you are displaying.

-- Edited by js at 20:08, 2004-11-04

Ayatollah · Senior Member

JS, like I have explained before, even if the whole world forgave this guy, his situation would not change. He commited pre-meditated murder and he has to face the book. Please understand that he is being charged by no one other person than the State of Indiana. Please do not expect us to sympathize with your murderer friend. Just like him, most of us have lost loved ones at some point in our life. Unless you can justify to us that his break up was so grand to justify his actions. Else, tell us that that your friend is an egomaniac who can not face losing a loved or he suffers from some sort of schizophrenia and could not handle a break up. Please do not blame the system or Ayatollah for your friends actions. Your asking people to forgive him will not help. I think your asking people on this forum to forgive this person is directed to the wrong audience. May be you should direct this to the familyof the deceased because all I know, this murderer did not do anything against Ayatollah or the people of this forum. Personally I don't know him and I do not have anything against him but Iwould love justice to take its course. I think the best thing you can do is advise your friend to settle his Scores with his God. In essence, it does not matter if people forgive him or not. What matters is that God/ Allah is a forgiving God/ Allah. Just like Barabas, your friend could be with God in Paradise if he confesses to his sins and accept Jesus as his savior. It is not up to Ayatollah nor is it up to the people of this world. As for here, he will have to pay his crime with time. I mean big tyme. Amen!

Roca · Member

Better Billy is pleading guilty,Clive is actually crying in court.

You do the crime you do the time!

Roca.

The Advocate · Newbie

There is absolutely no excuse for murder and this honestly looks like it was well thought of and executed accordingly. I may not know the guy at the center of this case but I really think he was very stupid to do what he did. What kind of stuff belonging to him did the girl have that was worth murder? Man, this guy was cowardly and I may feel sorry for him, his parents, friends etc but what about the girl whose family has to live with the fact that their daughter/sister died a gruesome death? No one has the right to take a life and if they do, they have to be punished so it serves as a lesson to the rest of us mere mortals that it is NOT good to stab people or kill them! He did the crime he better do the time: simple as that! And am I the only one wondering why and how come this guy has two names??????

js · Member

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. I love you Ayatollah kisses

TJ · Member

Am I wrong or was this guy on the run for a prior stabbing (different victim) when he fatally stabbed the poor girlfriend. So when we say he was a nice guy what exactly do we mean.

Njiba · Veteran Member

Am I wrong or was this guy on the run for a prior stabbing (different victim) when he fatally stabbed the poor girlfriend. So when we say he was a nice guy what exactly do we mean.

Either which way TJ, this guy has major issues. I mean this guy almost cut HIS throat off, can you imagine that? mmm Zinazi.

Njiba.

js · Member

Please leave billy alone. He is a nice guy and i dont care what anybody says he will always be a very good friend to me. As the bible says"let the man who has no sin cast the first stone" so if you think you are so pure keep talking.

TJ · Member

JS I have no issues with Billy. I don't know the guy personally and no regrets there.

You are good though. Standing by your pal in good times or bad.Very rare these days.

Your position on this issue, however, just reminds me of home. Ukapita ku maliro even chigawenga chikhale kuti chinazunza motani, all you hear are praises. Let's just learn from Billy's predicament. The bible you have qouted also says those who live by the sword......

I am no longer dwelling on this, I am not of no sin..

js · Member

Thank you TJ. i feel like somehow you understand my point alittle bit. please don't get me wrong I don't commend Billy's action whatsover but as I said I know Billy it might not be alot but enough to forgive him. I do get mad, angry sad and so many other emotions when I think about him and what he did,I even feel betrayed at times (it's hard to explain but when you love and care about your friends the way I do, what they do somehow affect you too). I am not here to gain him sympathy,nor forgiveness I am just speaking out for my friend and voicing out my opinion and if I have offended anyone I am sorry but I have also been offended many times before. it's inavoidable.

I now rest my case.

If we lived by "an eye for an eye" there would be no progress for it will be a case of the "the blind leading the blind". A world full of blind people!!!!!!!!!!!!

Zee · Member

Much as I feel sorry for Mr Billie, I also feel that the world will be a little bit safer with him being behind the bars. Only God knows what else he would have done had the long arms of the law not reached him in time. In less than a month he had stabbed two people, one fatal the other one nearly so. This guy, from what I hear, is known for taking extreme and aggressive revenge when provoked otherwise, everything remaining the same , he is that kind of person who wouldn't even hurt a fly and is known to be very humorous. There is also this instance, I am told, when he hit someone in the head with a metal bar . I am sure there is a psychological term for such kind of people or disease, something like: schezophrenia (help me out here fellows) -split mind. JS could be one of the jilted girlfriends he left behind or someone who is infatuated or just pitiful of this man who is facing almost a lifetime behind the bars. JS, if you really care for this guy then you have to wait for him till he gets out. Afterall, we are only talking of at least 30 years here. And hopefully you wont be his next victim.

-- Edited by Zee at 23:45, 2004-11-07

js · Member

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Originally posted by: Zee
"Much as I feel sorry for Mr Billie, I also feel that the world will be a little bit safer with him being behind the bars. Only God knows what else he would have done had the long arms of the law not reached him in time. In less than a month he had stabbed two people, one fatal the other one nearly so. This guy, from what I hear, is known for taking extreme and aggressive revenge when provoked otherwise, everything remaining the same , he is that kind of person who wouldn't even hurt a fly and is known to be very humorous. There is also this instance, I am told, when he hit someone in the head with a metal bar . I am sure there is a psychological term for such kind of people or disease, something like: schezophrenia (help me out here fellows) -split mind. JS could be one of the jilted girlfriends he left behind or someone who is infatuated or just pitiful of this man who is facing almost a lifetime behind the bars. JS, if you really care for this guy then you have to wait for him till he gets out. Afterall, we are only talking of at least 30 years here. And hopefully you wont be his next victim.-- Edited by Zee at 23:45, 2004-11-07"

Honestly it's not like that I am just a friend. as for waiting 30 yrs why don't i just visit him? thanks anyway