ANNUAL SALARY VS HOURLY PAY

firstbendman · Senior Member

ANNUAL SALARY VS HOURLY PAY

Dada Ngwazi · Senior Member

The system can boost Malawi economy very much but the problem mabwana akenso amafuna kunyenya kuyamba ntchito mochedwa ndi kuweluka msanga as long as they earn their living from that. I dont think it might work ku Malawi, it will be tough for everyone from kapopangolos to mabwanas, especially mabwanawo.

firstbendman · Senior Member

Dada Ngwazi wrote:

The system can boost Malawi economy very much but the problem mabwana akenso amafuna kunyenya kuyamba ntchito mochedwa ndi kuweluka msanga as long as they earn their living from that. I dont think it might work ku Malawi, it will be tough for everyone from kapopangolos to mabwanas, especially mabwanawo.

I agree with you on bosses position. Most of them are afraid of "change". Theyre uncertain of what "change" will come up with. But for this system, mabwanas should be left on salaries. Lets say from grade PO above should stay on salaries and the rest on hourly wages. Its hard for this system to work in our country, but it can save us money in the long run if adopted.

-- Edited by firstbendman at 21:45, 2007-04-08

mikhe · Veteran Member

To Amikhe this is a very good solution for Malawi and for starters you do not actually require a computerised system for it to work but there will always be loopholes which are unavoidable. All you need is a signing in and signing out system for every department and it will be beneficial for those people who work long hours chifukwa akhala akugwila overtime at an enhanced rate.

game · Guru

mikhe wrote:

To Amikhe this is a very good solution for Malawi and for starters you do not actually require a computerised system for it to work but there will always be loopholes which are unavoidable. All you need is a signing in and signing out system for every department and it will be beneficial for those people who work long hours chifukwa akhala akugwila overtime at an enhanced rate.

the system cannot work in malawi as most employers prefer cheap labour and exploitation.the minimum wage system fits in with the countries economical status quo other than that we are a long way,we need first to implement the idea of competition which at the moment is very difficult because of the survival of the fittest mentality in the industry.

its going to take a hundred or so years for malawi to develop into a formidable economic performer.thats when we can introduce a minimum wage system.

Njiba · Veteran Member

The minimum wage laws already exist, enforcing these laws becomes a problem and therefore the system we can say does not exist. The hourly wage issue would be great. The advantages i see are

1) Employees become more responsible over how much they are making ( to an extent) . One can take the advantage of any overtime available to earn more for themselves and their families.

2) This sytem is more effiecient for the economy in whole because payment is made for only the resources used. Simply saying, wages are only paid for hours worked.

3) This system kind of fights the fatigue attitude of idleness. People will start to value time and as they come to realise they have alot of it ( time that is ), people will start to make better use of it.

Disadvantages -

1) Some employers can easily take advantage of their employees. In the event the employer and employee argue over the number of hours, the employer will win ( especially in Saigon ).

2) This counters point three above ( advantages section ) - The system kind of instills a "money is every thing culture" as an hour is equated to the opportunity to make a buck. I feel ( opinion ) our culture is more wholesome than those cultures that place money as the key indicator of success. We should make money and be more productive but lets not spend our lives chasing the Kwacha and missing all the heavenly glory - we call life - right before us.

firstbendman · Senior Member

mikhe wrote:

To Amikhe this is a very good solution for Malawi and for starters you do not actually require a computerised system for it to work but there will always be loopholes which are unavoidable. All you need is a signing in and signing out system for every department and it will be beneficial for those people who work long hours chifukwa akhala akugwila overtime at an enhanced rate.

I have the same opinion, but I still think the system can best work if they can put strong mechanism to preclude cheating. We should remember that cheating and corruption is one of the main diseases in Malawi. The most common cheating way is pple punching in for others. This is the common thing here too among africans. I still feel the use of computerised system should be a necessity, otherwise the system will fail.

And you have brought up a good point on "overtime". Overtime issue should also be looked at critically, otherwise you dont want to incur unncessary overtime. I could imagine employees slacking during normal working hours, to amass overtime. Take example here, some companies pay overtime after 8-hr shifts while others pay overtime after a week's 40hrs.

-- Edited by firstbendman at 00:55, 2007-04-10

firstbendman · Senior Member

Njiba wrote:

The minimum wage laws already exist, enforcing these laws becomes a problem and therefore the system we can say does not exist. The hourly wage issue would be great. The advantages i see are 1) Employees become more responsible over how much they are making ( to an extent) . One can take the advantage of any overtime available to earn more for themselves and their families.2) This sytem is more effiecient for the economy in whole because payment is made for only the resources used. Simply saying, wages are only paid for hours worked.3) This system kind of fights the fatigue attitude of idleness. People will start to value time and as they come to realise they have alot of it ( time that is ), people will start to make better use of it.Disadvantages - 1) Some employers can easily take advantage of their employees. In the event the employer and employee argue over the number of hours, the employer will win ( especially in Saigon ).2) This counters point three above ( advantages section ) - The system kind of instills a "money is every thing culture" as an hour is equated to the opportunity to make a buck. I feel ( opinion ) our culture is more wholesome than those cultures that place money as the key indicator of success. We should make money and be more productive but lets not spend our lives chasing the Kwacha and missing all the heavenly glory - we call life - right before us.

You have taken care of a good part of how this system can work in Malawi. And particulary point 2 in disadvantages - That should be a challange in Saigon.

Pope · Guru

I do agree with you guys and I feel we should not always look at Malawi with a negative out come,as much as such systems are facing problems in the west but they have tried to bring sanity in labour sector which at the end benefits the countries economy.At the moment theres a registry system in govnmt offices which have atleast brought panick amongst the employees hence abit of sanity.We need to encourage that but at our level.

bingiza · Guru

I worked for a company that had a strict timing card type of coming and knocking off, guess what happened yes it was sabotaged by who knows who, in the end there is nothing nde anangokhomelela omwe amagwiritsa ntchito machine wo ochedwa ndi 5 min wajomba.

Help me out on this one i strongly believe if company rules say knocking off time is 4:30 i take it that thats tools down time, but eeiissshh by 4:30 on the dot upeza messenger ali pa gate isnt he eating the companies money? Kwa mabwana okha iwalani you cant clock bosses they have their own way of getting round everything so save the clocking in and out.

Pope · Guru

as Mlawians, we have to change our attitudes towards dedication,we work hard in other countries like theba while back home we want it all free.Have you ever seen tanzanians working?

Dada Ngwazi · Senior Member

Pope wrote:

as Mlawians, we have to change our attitudes towards dedication,we work hard in other countries like theba while back home we want it all free.Have you ever seen tanzanians working?

No. Ayi..Kukonyamula ndrama zawo muma plastic bag!! business basi!!

Dada Ngwazi · Senior Member

Dada Ngwazi wrote:

Pope wrote:

as Mlawians, we have to change our attitudes towards dedication,we work hard in other countries like theba while back home we want it all free.Have you ever seen tanzanians working?

No. Ayi..Kukonyamula ndrama zawo muma plastic bag!! business basi!!

Amalawi kupondana osakhululupilirana, umusiyire ndarama mnzako eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

kufakwaanthu · Newbie

Maguys please lets think critically about this issue. First where can we get the monies to sustain the system it won't be K30.00 per hour as is the case now.
Secondly, who is going to check that employees are getting what is due to them. After all most supervisors have a problem of kusololasolola.

Let us first put our house in order, but the idea is nice.

awmygawd · Guru

kufakwaanthu wrote:
Maguys please lets think critically about this issue. First where can we get the monies to sustain the system it won't be K30.00 per hour as is the case now.
Secondly, who is going to check that employees are getting what is due to them. After all most supervisors have a problem of kusololasolola.

Let us first put our house in order, but the idea is nice.

Hourly pay doesn't necessarily have to be more expense than salaries, outright. The idea is to establish a better link between work done by employees and the corresponding cost to employers. Working the system shouldn't be too difficult; many small business owners can monitor their workers personally, and any organisation large enough to require delegated supervision should be able to run more sophisticated systems with ease. Small matters, those.