THE NUCLEAR CLUB

bnk444 · Veteran Member

THE NUCLEAR CLUB

awmygawd · Guru

Ideally there should be no nuclear club, period.

eetchef · Senior Member

Read him correctly. The nuclear club is already there mind you and we cant be debating about its abolition now. How is your understanding about the club coz you seem to have skewed upon the enrichment of say uranium purposely and you seem to be forgetting about the production of energy.

awmygawd · Guru

eetchef wrote:

Read him correctly. The nuclear club is already there mind you and we cant be debating about its abolition now. How is your understanding about the club coz you seem to have skewed upon the enrichment of say uranium purposely and you seem to be forgetting about the production of energy.

Look. How does the mere existence of the nuclear club bar any discussion on whether or not it is appropriate and should exist in the first place?

For clarification on exactly which club I'm talking of, go to any decent online dictionary/encyclopedia (e.g dictionary.com, etc). You will find that the term nuclear club refers the group of countries that posses WEAPONISED nuclear technology. Although the term has occasionally been applied less stringently to include countries that have other types of nuclear technology, to use it that way isn't quite as correct; you'd otherwise have to include countries like Japan (for being the third largest producer of nuclear energy worldwide) in the club and in geopolitical terms, that is beyond absurd.

eetchef · Senior Member

Well, I get your point.Easy!

When i said read him correctly i meant to say that his posting is such an interesting one especially when you read all what has so far transpired in connection with this World Court story.
To begin with let me speculate that North Koreas recent developments is simply due to desperation , i mean they are hemmed in politically, and they are struggling very hard to break out of their total isolation and they are setting up free-trade zones , and trying to intergrate themselves into the international economic system, other things like that. Their deal with the US its neither intelligent nor justifiable, but thats part of whats motivating them, and its a question of understanding that.
As far as Western concern about nuclear club goes , obviously its highly selective-like , nobody cares that the US has nuclear weapons, nobody cares that Israel has nuclear weapons, they just dont want them in the hands of people they dont control like North Korea, Iran , Zimbabwe, Cuba ........And I think thats really the main issue behind the contrioversy of the nuclear club.

If you recall very well , part of what has been claimed is the problem with North Korea is that their getting nuclear weapons would threaten the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. But actually , i think the problem with North Korea and other countries such as Iran and the rest is in fact what other nations especially US and UK : the wrong guys could be getting possible power, nuclear weapons.
Look nobody in their right mind would want Mugabe or Gadaffi let alone Iran to join the nuclear club. But on the other hand , there is nothing much that they would do with nuclear weapons if they had them, except maybe defend themselves from attack. They are certainly not going to invade anybody, thats not even imaginable: if they ever made a move, the country gets destroyed tomorrow. So the only role that by virtue of being a member of nuclear club could play for them is as a deterrent to attck and thats not totally unrealistic.

Oh I forgot one thing. Imagine it.If they say the enrichment uranium and use of nuclear weapons is ilegal which means by implication that posession of them is illegal too....Its a sick world.

Studa · Senior Member

i heard we have some uranium deposits in our country. if it is true let us please not give it away to foreigners lest they expliot us.(ngati sanatigule kale)
it can be utilised for a number of things such as nuclear energy and lets not forget the big boom (nuclear bomb) if we can enrich it. let us not be abused by these people and let our potential go down the drain!
we have the natural resources. let us please guard them well.

awmygawd · Guru

Studa wrote:

i heard we have some uranium deposits in our country. if it is true let us please not give it away to foreigners lest they expliot us.(ngati sanatigule kale)
it can be utilised for a number of things such as nuclear energy and lets not forget the big boom (nuclear bomb) if we can enrich it. let us not be abused by these people and let our potential go down the drain!
we have the natural resources. let us please guard them well.

Easier said than done. There has to be heavy foreign involvment one way or the other. Malawi's lack of mining, nuclear, and general engineering and industrial expertise make's that inevitable. The least that can be done is to get all the legal, etc issues (eg regulation of foreign ownership of mining companies in MW) laid out to serve Malawian interests. Ultimately though, the involvement of non-Malawian interests is, at least to start with, unavoidable.

awmygawd · Guru

eetchef wrote:

Well, I get your point.Easy!

When i said read him correctly i meant to say that his posting is such an interesting one especially when you read all what has so far transpired in connection with this World Court story.
To begin with let me speculate that North Koreas recent developments is simply due to desperation , i mean they are hemmed in politically, and they are struggling very hard to break out of their total isolation and they are setting up free-trade zones , and trying to intergrate themselves into the international economic system, other things like that. Their deal with the US its neither intelligent nor justifiable, but thats part of whats motivating them, and its a question of understanding that.
As far as Western concern about nuclear club goes , obviously its highly selective-like , nobody cares that the US has nuclear weapons, nobody cares that Israel has nuclear weapons, they just dont want them in the hands of people they dont control like North Korea, Iran , Zimbabwe, Cuba ........And I think thats really the main issue behind the contrioversy of the nuclear club.

If you recall very well , part of what has been claimed is the problem with North Korea is that their getting nuclear weapons would threaten the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. But actually , i think the problem with North Korea and other countries such as Iran and the rest is in fact what other nations especially US and UK : the wrong guys could be getting possible power, nuclear weapons.
Look nobody in their right mind would want Mugabe or Gadaffi let alone Iran to join the nuclear club. But on the other hand , there is nothing much that they would do with nuclear weapons if they had them, except maybe defend themselves from attack. They are certainly not going to invade anybody, thats not even imaginable: if they ever made a move, the country gets destroyed tomorrow. So the only role that by virtue of being a member of nuclear club could play for them is as a deterrent to attck and thats not totally unrealistic.

Oh I forgot one thing. Imagine it.If they say the enrichment uranium and use of nuclear weapons is ilegal which means by implication that posession of them is illegal too....Its a sick world.

The problem with international politics is that much of it is really determined by the dynamic of domestic politics in the individual countries involved. You rightly point out that the North Korean nuclear problem is essentially domestic in nature (regime self preservation). It unfortunately has implications for the international community. In principle, I think the international community is right not to have any of it.

-- Edited by awmygawd at 20:57, 2007-02-18